Elohim plurality

Dave Washburn dwashbur at nyx.net
Tue Jan 29 15:27:18 EST 2002


Synonymous parallelism suggests ("shoots down" was perhaps too 
strong, how about "calls into question") that "I" and "us" have the 
same referent.

> How does Isaiah 6:8 shoot down the existence of other divine beings
> that YHWH is talking to?
> Liz
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Washburn [mailto:dwashbur at nyx.net]
> > Sent: Tue, January 29, 2002 2:49 PM
> > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > Subject: RE: Elohim plurality
> >
> >
> > The only real problem passage I found was his treatment of Isa 6:8,
> > where he failed to notice the apparent synonymous parallelism
> > between "whom shall I send?" and "who will go for us?"  It seems to
> > me that the parallelism shoots down the idea that God is talking to
> > angelic beings or someone else in these clauses.
> >
> > > I have just read this from http://www.clc.edu/askdr/Archive/elohim.htm.
> > > Yes, to me this is basically sound, though I would want to be more
> > > careful re Psalm 45:6.
> > >
> > > Peter Kirk
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Schmuel [mailto:schmuel at bigfoot.com]
> > > > Sent: 29 January 2002 19:04
> > > > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > > > Subject: Elohim plurality
> > > >
> > > > Shalom b-Hebrew
> > > >
> > > > Schmuel quoting Daniel Segraves..
> > > > > >   Elohim is a masculine plural noun. Eloah, the singular form of
> > > the
> > > > >word, > appears 54 times and is also used in reference to both the
> > > true
> > > > God
> > > > >and to > false gods. Eloah is from the Hebrew El, which appears 226
> > > > times.  El
> > > > > > signifies strength and power. >  <snip>
> > > >
> > > > Peter Kirk,
> > > > >Well, 'EL may be a contracted form of 'ELOAH  (though hardly vice
> > > versa)
> > > > >or otherwise derived from the root 'LH; or it may be derived from the
> > > > >root 'YL meaning "strength, power", as in 'AYIL "ram", "leader". But
> > > I
> > > > >don't see how both of these can be true at the same time. BDB has a
> > > > >summary of some options (pp.41-42), but a lot of this is pure
> > > > speculation.
> > > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > --
> > > > -------------------------
> > > > Hi Peter,
> > > >
> > > > Ptting aside the relationship between the forms..
> > > >
> > > > Do you find Daniel's Segrave's discussion of Elohim and plurality
> > > > basically
> > > > sound..... ?
> > > >
> > > > It is the only such fairly complete grammar discussion that I have
> > > > found on the Net  :-)
> > > >
> > > > Schmuel at bigfoot.com
> > > >
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> > Dave Washburn
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> > This time, like all times, is a very good one if we but know what to do
> > with it.
> >                   -Emerson
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Dave Washburn
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This time, like all times, is a very good one if we but know what to do 
with it.
                  -Emerson




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