God's name: was Curious abut "G-d"

Shoshanna Walker rosewalk at concentric.net
Tue Jan 22 13:53:45 EST 2002



Seriously

What is the discussion about?

No one knows how to pronounce the name, period.  I don't think you will
figure it out.  Then if you think you do, that won't mean anything.

shoshanna



> You're the Semiticist.
> Is it a matres lexiones?
> I don't know what it does in Yahweh either,
> you could write it yahwe.
> Liz
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Trevor Peterson [mailto:06PETERSON at cua.edu]
> > Sent: Tue, January 22, 2002 1:26 PM
> > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > Subject: RE: God's name: was Curious abut "G-d"
> >
> >
> > Then what's the other he (H) doing?
> >
> > Trevor Peterson
> > CUA/Semitics
> >
> > >===== Original Message From "Lisbeth S. Fried" <lizfried at umich.edu>
=====
> > >IT's probably Yahu, as in Eliyahu,
> > >Yermiyahu, Netanyahu. Or Yehu, as in
> > >Yehu (=Jehu). At Elephantine it's spelled
> > >YHW, which is easily pronounced Yahu.
> > >Now it could be Yaho, as Yahonatan. But
> > >I vote for Yahu.
> > >Liz
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Shoshanna Walker [mailto:rosewalk at concentric.net]
> > >> Sent: Tue, January 22, 2002 11:42 AM
> > >> To: Biblical Hebrew
> > >> Subject: Re: Curious abut "G-d"
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Please keep in mind that no one knows how to pronounce that name,
> > >> and no one
> > >> was allowed to pronounce that name except for one person, in one
> > >> place, once
> > >> a year.
> > >>
> > >> Shoshanna
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > I agree with Ian 100%.
> > >> > Thanks Ian.
> > >> > It should be noted in addition that Blenkinsopp
> > >> > in his new Isaiah commentary spells the tetragrammaton
> > >> > YHVH only to be consistent with modern Hebrew usage.
> > >> > Jews from Arab countries pronounce it as waw, presumably
> > >> > supporting the notion of German influence for the vav.
> > >> > Liz
> > >> >
> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > From: Ian Hutchesson [mailto:mc2499 at mclink.it]
> > >> > > Sent: Tue, January 22, 2002 10:47 AM
> > >> > > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > >> > > Subject: Re: Curious abut "G-d"
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >Wouldn't the letters of the Tetragrammaton be YHVH, not
> > >> YHWH? The third
> > >> > > >letter is for 'vav' if I'm not mistaken, right?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Right - vav
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Sorry, there's no reason to believe that this is the case.
> > One cannot
> > >> use
> > >> > > the mores of modern Hebrew to say how things were pronounced
> > >> in ancient
> > >> > > times. vav as an ancient rendering of the sound makes little
> > >> sense when
> > >> > > one considers the ancient use of waw as a vowel /u/, especially
> > >> > > in the DSS.
> > >> > > This strongly indicates a bilabial liquid consonant related to
> > >> > > the /u/, ie
> > >> > > /w/, for when you make a /w/ the mouth is in the right
> > state also to
> > >> make
> > >> > > the vowel sound /u/. As a /v/ is a (labio-dental)
> > fricative, it uses a
> > >> > > different mechanism to provide sound and puts the mouth in no
state
> > >> > > reminiscent of a /u/. Perhaps one could supply a *phonological*
> > >> > > connection
> > >> > > between waw and its vocalic use some other way, but I haven't
> > >> > > seen it done
> > >> > > and can't imagine one.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > We do have a strong analogy to the w/u relationship, when yod is
> > >> > > used as a
> > >> > > vowel yielding /i/, for when you make a /y/ the mouth is in the
> > >> > > right state
> > >> > > also to make an /i/.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > waw as vav seems unjustified to me, so I'd say "wrong".
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Didn't we get vav from waw after the German sound shift /w/ ->
/v/?
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Ian
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
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