God's name: was Curious abut "G-d"

Lisbeth S. Fried lizfried at umich.edu
Tue Jan 22 13:39:37 EST 2002


You're the Semiticist.
Is it a matres lexiones?
I don't know what it does in Yahweh either,
you could write it yahwe.
Liz

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Trevor Peterson [mailto:06PETERSON at cua.edu]
> Sent: Tue, January 22, 2002 1:26 PM
> To: Biblical Hebrew
> Subject: RE: God's name: was Curious abut "G-d"
>
>
> Then what's the other he (H) doing?
>
> Trevor Peterson
> CUA/Semitics
>
> >===== Original Message From "Lisbeth S. Fried" <lizfried at umich.edu> =====
> >IT's probably Yahu, as in Eliyahu,
> >Yermiyahu, Netanyahu. Or Yehu, as in
> >Yehu (=Jehu). At Elephantine it's spelled
> >YHW, which is easily pronounced Yahu.
> >Now it could be Yaho, as Yahonatan. But
> >I vote for Yahu.
> >Liz
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Shoshanna Walker [mailto:rosewalk at concentric.net]
> >> Sent: Tue, January 22, 2002 11:42 AM
> >> To: Biblical Hebrew
> >> Subject: Re: Curious abut "G-d"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please keep in mind that no one knows how to pronounce that name,
> >> and no one
> >> was allowed to pronounce that name except for one person, in one
> >> place, once
> >> a year.
> >>
> >> Shoshanna
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > I agree with Ian 100%.
> >> > Thanks Ian.
> >> > It should be noted in addition that Blenkinsopp
> >> > in his new Isaiah commentary spells the tetragrammaton
> >> > YHVH only to be consistent with modern Hebrew usage.
> >> > Jews from Arab countries pronounce it as waw, presumably
> >> > supporting the notion of German influence for the vav.
> >> > Liz
> >> >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Ian Hutchesson [mailto:mc2499 at mclink.it]
> >> > > Sent: Tue, January 22, 2002 10:47 AM
> >> > > To: Biblical Hebrew
> >> > > Subject: Re: Curious abut "G-d"
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > >Wouldn't the letters of the Tetragrammaton be YHVH, not
> >> YHWH? The third
> >> > > >letter is for 'vav' if I'm not mistaken, right?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Right - vav
> >> > >
> >> > > Sorry, there's no reason to believe that this is the case.
> One cannot
> >> use
> >> > > the mores of modern Hebrew to say how things were pronounced
> >> in ancient
> >> > > times. vav as an ancient rendering of the sound makes little
> >> sense when
> >> > > one considers the ancient use of waw as a vowel /u/, especially
> >> > > in the DSS.
> >> > > This strongly indicates a bilabial liquid consonant related to
> >> > > the /u/, ie
> >> > > /w/, for when you make a /w/ the mouth is in the right
> state also to
> >> make
> >> > > the vowel sound /u/. As a /v/ is a (labio-dental)
> fricative, it uses a
> >> > > different mechanism to provide sound and puts the mouth in no state
> >> > > reminiscent of a /u/. Perhaps one could supply a *phonological*
> >> > > connection
> >> > > between waw and its vocalic use some other way, but I haven't
> >> > > seen it done
> >> > > and can't imagine one.
> >> > >
> >> > > We do have a strong analogy to the w/u relationship, when yod is
> >> > > used as a
> >> > > vowel yielding /i/, for when you make a /y/ the mouth is in the
> >> > > right state
> >> > > also to make an /i/.
> >> > >
> >> > > waw as vav seems unjustified to me, so I'd say "wrong".
> >> > >
> >> > > Didn't we get vav from waw after the German sound shift /w/ -> /v/?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Ian
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
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