Qames or Qames-Hatuph

Trevor & Julie Peterson 06peterson at
Sun Jan 6 22:14:48 EST 2002

Yikes! Actually it turns up more often than you seem to think. I would say
that the majority of uses of qamets tend to be a-class, but there are still
quite a few o-class. Notable examples are narrative forms of II-vav roots
like vayyaqom and some infinitive forms. As for when it matters, I would
think knowing how to read a language aloud is generally a good thing
(considering that language is more than marks on a page). It's also helpful
in knowing how to recognize transcribed forms and knowing how to properly
analyze the morphology and phonology of a word.

Trevor Peterson
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Lisbeth S. Fried [mailto:lizfried at]
  Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 5:38 PM
  To: Biblical Hebrew
  Subject: RE: Qames or Qames-Hatuph

  Arent'  there only a few words in which the qamets is pronounced like a
  (Is that what we're talking about here?)
  If so, can't one just learn the list? qol is one. I think it's a small
  I remember breaking my head over this in beginning Hebrew, and then just
  deciding that if I ever was going to read torah from the bima, I'd just
get a tape.
  When else does it matter anyway?????
  I'll wait for the flames.
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Trevor & Julie Peterson [mailto:06peterson at]
    Sent: Sun, January 06, 2002 5:28 PM
    To: Biblical Hebrew
    Subject: RE: Qames or Qames-Hatuph

    I don't know that this actually answers the original question. Since a
shva can have two different functions, determining whether the syllable is
open or closed can get tricky.

    Trevor Peterson
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Polycarp66 at [mailto:Polycarp66 at]
      Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 5:13 PM
      To: Biblical Hebrew
      Subject: Re: Qames or Qames-Hatuph

      In a message dated 1/6/2002 9:59:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
hebrew2day at writes:

        When the vowel sign for (Qames or Qames-Hatuph) is right before a
sheva ,
        how does one know if the vowel is a Qames or Qames-Hatuph?
        Also please list some extra rules if they apply.

      Weingreen (p. 12) states,

      "Since the vowel-sign [omitted] is used to represent both Qames 'a'
and Qames-Hatuph 'o', we have to determine when it is (long) 'a' and when
(short) 'o'.  The rule enunciated on p. 7 is her applied thus:--If the
vowel-sign [omitted] occurs in a closed unaccented syllable it must be short
and is therefore (short) 'o' = Qames-Hatuph.  If, on the other hand, it
occurs in an open syllable, or in a syllable which, though closed, is
accented, then it is long and therefore (long) 'a' = Qames. [Examples

      gfsomsel ---

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