Qames or Qames-Hatuph

Lisbeth S. Fried lizfried at
Sun Jan 6 17:38:19 EST 2002

Arent'  there only a few words in which the qamets is pronounced like a
(Is that what we're talking about here?)
If so, can't one just learn the list? qol is one. I think it's a small list.
I remember breaking my head over this in beginning Hebrew, and then just
deciding that if I ever was going to read torah from the bima, I'd just get
a tape.
When else does it matter anyway?????
I'll wait for the flames.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Trevor & Julie Peterson [mailto:06peterson at]
  Sent: Sun, January 06, 2002 5:28 PM
  To: Biblical Hebrew
  Subject: RE: Qames or Qames-Hatuph

  I don't know that this actually answers the original question. Since a
shva can have two different functions, determining whether the syllable is
open or closed can get tricky.

  Trevor Peterson
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Polycarp66 at [mailto:Polycarp66 at]
    Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 5:13 PM
    To: Biblical Hebrew
    Subject: Re: Qames or Qames-Hatuph

    In a message dated 1/6/2002 9:59:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
hebrew2day at writes:

      When the vowel sign for (Qames or Qames-Hatuph) is right before a
sheva ,
      how does one know if the vowel is a Qames or Qames-Hatuph?
      Also please list some extra rules if they apply.

    Weingreen (p. 12) states,

    "Since the vowel-sign [omitted] is used to represent both Qames 'a' and
Qames-Hatuph 'o', we have to determine when it is (long) 'a' and when
(short) 'o'.  The rule enunciated on p. 7 is her applied thus:--If the
vowel-sign [omitted] occurs in a closed unaccented syllable it must be short
and is therefore (short) 'o' = Qames-Hatuph.  If, on the other hand, it
occurs in an open syllable, or in a syllable which, though closed, is
accented, then it is long and therefore (long) 'a' = Qames. [Examples

    gfsomsel ---

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