Trevor & Julie Peterson 06peterson at
Mon Dec 30 09:20:17 EST 2002

Re: [b-hebrew] Re: YERUSHALEMI'm not saying I have an explanation for the
form--only questioning whether we can reasonably call it a dual ending. As
for the absence of the yod, I'd say we probably are dealing with a
difference between ketiv and qere. My first thought on where the different
readings arise is that the ketiv shows a contracted (unaccented?) diphthong
and the qere shows an uncontracted, accented form. Since we do find it
written as yerushalem elsewhere, I think there's good reason to suppose that
this was the form represented by the ketiv. But again, my point was not that
I think I have a better explanation than anyone else for how the form
arose--I'm simply asking whether it makes any sense to call the ending dual,
simply because it has the same surface shape.

Trevor Peterson
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Raymond de Hoop [mailto:rdehoop at]
  Sent: Mon, December 30, 2002 8:25 AM
  To: Trevor & Julie Peterson; Biblical Hebrew
  Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Re: YERUSHALEM

  At 30-12-2002 00:41 Trevor & Julie Peterson <06peterson at> wrote:

    The Hebrew dual ending comes from -aym-; this diphthong was always lost
    BH, either contracted to long e or extended to ayi, with the stress on
    Yes, the dual is one common place where this diphthong would have
    but it is by no means the only. If there's any reliability to the notion
    that m is part of the stem, then it seems to me that this being a dual
    ending is an unacceptable option.

  Shalom Trevor,

  I would not dare to say I 've the solution to these questions. But aren't
you suggesting that there is a diphtong ayi, where did they leave the "yod"
in the consonantal YRW$LM, and did it belong to the stem? I do agree with
you that the "mem" is part of the stem, but how did the Masoretes arive at
the dual pronunciation "ayim"?

  Kol tuv,


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