Peter_Kirk at sil.org
Mon Apr 15 10:12:32 EDT 2002
Rolf, one simple answer is that discourse analysis, by its whole nature,
is incapable of analysing an isolated sentence like this apart from the
whole discourse. The other simple answer is that I feel under no
obligation to spend time on a verse like this just because you ask me
to. I have stated before and now state it again, that I do not propose
to get into discussion of any individual verses, neither this one nor
the 1 Kings verses you mention in your other posting. My concern here is
not for the details but for the methodology.
You seem to think I was accusing you of discrediting a hypothesis. I did
not. I was pointing out to Moon that your single counter-example was not
enough to invalidate Hatav's hypothesis.
From: Rolf Furuli [mailto:furuli at online.no]
Sent: 15 April 2002 11:47
To: Biblical Hebrew
Subject: RE: Hebrew Syntax.
I have not tried to discredit any hypothesis. It was Moon who draw the
conclusion that my example was a couter-example of Galia's conclusion
I just asked you to analyse one passage by the help of discourse
analysis, implying that you either argued in favor of the YIQTOL
representing foreground or background information. I reproduce my
Dear discourse analysts,
Today I have been working with all the examples of BW) ("to come in")
realized as YIQTOLs with past reference. To illustrate the influence of
discourse analysis on Bible translation, I invite you to analyse 2
Samuel 15:37 by help of this method and any other method you deem fit.
Question: Do you prefer the first group of renderings, and in that case,
why? Or do you prefer the second group of renderings, and in that case,
NIV So David's friend Hushai arrived at Jerusalem as Absalom was
entering the city.
NLT So David's friend Hushai returned to Jerusalem, getting there just
as Absalom arrived.
NRSV So Hushai, David's friend, came into the city, just as Absalom was
RSV So Hushai, David's friend, came into the city, just as Absalom was
KJV So Hushai David's friend came into the city, and Absalom came into
ASV So Hushai, David's friend, came into the city; and Absalom came
LUTHER So kam Huschai, der Freund Davids, in die Stadt. Und Absalom zog
in Jerusalem ein.
Rolf, my whole point is that one (alleged) counter-example is not enough
to discredit a hypothesis. Even 3-4% are not. So I won't waste my time
on individual counter-examples. Anyway, I am discussing methodology not
specific hypotheses. And I've forgotten which example we are talking
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rolf Furuli [mailto:furuli at online.no]
> Sent: 15 April 2002 08:11
> To: Biblical Hebrew
> Subject: RE: Hebrew Syntax.
> Dear Peter,
> Nobody has so far analysed my example. could you please do that.
> Rolf Furuli
> University of Oslo
University of Oslo
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