Is this a rock or not? I Would like to know

Ausra Pazera apazera at
Thu Feb 15 00:53:09 EST 2001

Yes, it's may be very insulting for non-Christians,
but even for Christians... I wonder how long Christian
biblists will imagine that they have some monopol for
understanding the HEBREW BIBLE? I suppose that we
don't make here theological researches, and it's
inconsistent to make such a kind of theological
declarations as "foreshadowing" etc... That's even
inconsistent for understanding the text's written much
earler texts of Paul and other writers of NT. I
completely agree with Charles David Isabel...


--- Charles David Isbell <cisbell at> wrote: >
Glen wrote: "Paul mentions numerous times that
> events of the Old Testament
> were but a "foreshadowing"."
> Do you not realize how insulting this is to people
> who are not Christian?
> Or do you not care?
> Glen again: "Peter Kirk's "physical vs. spiritual
> sustenance" theory is
> theologically proven out (again) in John 7 where
> Jesus speaks toward the
> physical manna consumed in the wilderness by those
> who "died"; this Jesus
> does, in comparison to the spiritual manna which
> Christ offered to those
> "who should not perish".
> How can the NT "prove" anything about the meaning of
> the Hebrew Bible [I
> note that you persist in calling it the OLD
> Testament]?  It can show only
> how the early Church chose to reconstruct parts of
> the Bible for its own
> use.  But that does not ipso facto constitute THE
> meaning of the Hebrew
> Bible.  It is only one Christian/NT way of declaring
> meaning.  When you use
> Christian/NT lens of faith as a "pony" to understand
> and then shovel
> Christian meaning backwards onto prior literature,
> you are not interpreting
> the Hebrew Scriptures, but preaching about your own
> prior commitment to a
> system of theology.  Come on.  This list is about
> B-Hebrew, not
> fundamentalist ideas about inerrancy or Christian
> supersessionism.
> Shalom,
> Charles David Isbell
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Ausra Pazera

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