Child theme in Isaiah 6-12

Jonathan D. Safren yon_saf at
Tue Feb 6 12:22:25 EST 2001

Ian Hutchesson wrote:

> >> >The Shear-Jashub prophecies of 10:20-23 must refer to a relatively
> distant
> >> >future, a time when Israel will return after being struck down or
> >> >(see also 11:10-12).
> >>
> >> Aren't all these prophecies vaticinio ex eventu, as the status quo
> suggests,
> >> given 1 Enoch and Daniel?

Sorry, I misunderstood your question, Ian. Yes, I quite agree with you. And
so Isaiah couldn't have been talking about a future seven hundred years
later. He, like Jeremiah or Ezekiel, was merely extrapolating from existing
conditions .
]Please explain how Enoch and Daniel pertain to this.
Jonathan D. Safren
Dept. of Biblical Studies
Beit Berl College
44905 IsraelSubject: Re: Child theme in Isaiah 6-12
> >
> >That's what the messianic belief is all about, Ian, as I claimed in a
> >previous posting: the failure of biblical prophecy and the need felt to
> >re-interpret it in view of its failure.
> Jonathan,
> I was talking about texts and the fact that those "prophetic" books we
> for sure about were vaticinio ex eventu, and extrapolating from there. I
> hadn't got on to beliefs. If we are dealing with vaticinio ex eventu,
> can be no "failure" in the prophecy. I can't see the connection between
> comments and the post you are responding to.
> Ian
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