SV: Elohim -- human or divine in Psalm 82?

Peter Kirk Peter_Kirk at
Fri Sep 1 09:45:01 EDT 2000

Although I agree with your doubts about LMB's thesis, the verse you quote
does not address the issue. This verse uses ELOHIM, not EL. These are
different names for God - well, EL is more of a name, ELOHIM is more of a
generic noun. Of course that doesn't mean that they are different gods, as
LMB is trying to argue, but it does take careful scholarship to refute him.
Though you can get a long way by noticing that if you call LMB "Lloyd", "Dr
Barre", and "the person I am replying to", you are not referring to three
different people but to one.

Peter Kirk

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy L. Sasser" <jlsasser at>
To: "Biblical Hebrew" <b-hebrew at>
Cc: "biblical hebrew" <b-hebrew at>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: Re: SV: Elohim -- human or divine in Psalm 82?

That doesn't make sense at all...

Sh'ma Yisrael YHWH Eloheinu YHWH Echad.

How can YHWH and El be a separate gods???


On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 barre at wrote:

> Actually, no, not originally.  El is a northwest Semitic deity known
> at Ugaritic but also from Aram.  Yahweh Sabaoth hails from Edom and
> the southern desert regions.  El heads a pantheon while Yahweh rules
> alone.  If it weren't for various syncretistic techniques used, there
> would be no reason to equate these two gods.
> I have posted at my website a study called "The Yahwistic Editing of
> the Elohistic Psalter" for anyone interested in distinction between
> El and Yahweh.
> L.M. Barre, Ph.D.
> Get DSL high-speed Internet access FREE.with FreeDSL at

Jeremy L. Sasser
jeremy at

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