Israel

Jeremy L. Sasser jlsasser at fish.pair.com
Fri Sep 1 15:21:33 EDT 2000


Well, you are assuming that the story is a myth and that they were written
during the Babylonian Exile?  Is that right?  What is the date that you
assume the myth were written in?

Jeremy

On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Liz Fried wrote:

> Bill, you're assuming that the story actually occurred, and that there was
> no
> people Israel prior to the story.
> Whereas I, on the otherhand, think the name existed, and the story was
> created as
> a post hoc etiology on the name.
> Therefore, I don't think the story is at all relevant in the derivation of
> the name.
> What is relevant are other tribal names from the ane. How are other peoples
> named?
> How do they choose name for themselves, what is the linguistics behind their
> names?
> That is the approach one should take, imo.
> Now, does anyone know of another people or tribe that has a theophoric in
> it?
> 
> Best,
> Liz
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Ross [mailto:wross at farmerstel.com]
> > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 3:02 PM
> > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > Subject: RE: Israel
> >
> >
> > <Jack>
> > Persevere for God?  Power from God?
> >
> > <Bill>
> > It struck me one day as I was reading Genesis how sharply the
> > incident where
> > Iaakov wrestles all night yet perserveres contrasts with Esau,
> > who, after a
> > day of hunting is "so hungry he could die" and lets go of his blessing.
> >
> > Since this name is a reward for perserverence, I would be surprised if it
> > should be understood any other way than "perserveres with God", though I
> > don't know if the grammar allows that reading or not.
> >
> > Bill Ross
> >
> >
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