Fw: <wayyiqtol> again (B. Rocine)
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Sun Jan 2 08:19:47 EST 2000
Forwarde on behalf of Alviero Niccacci,
> On 01/01/00 (Re: <wayyiqtol> again (B. Rocine)) Bryan
> >Dear Alviero,
> >Greetings in the new millenium! Thank you for your
> >comments. Did you send your response to me off-list
> >intentionally? Would you like to share our discussion
> >the list? You wrote:
> < ... >
> >I see your reading of Pro 31 as a possibility, however
> >things seem to fight against it a bit for me. I am not
> >suggesting that my points are especially weighty or
> >conclusive, but I think they are sugnificant. One is the
> >pragmatic purpose of the poem which seems to be more
> >intended to describe than narrate as you are taking it.
> >description of this sort comes under the genre I call
> >Expository Discourse, which defaults for a present time
> >understanding. A second thing is the yiqtols in the
> >passage, the preponderance of which seems to violate
> >narrative convention and ask for a present time
> >understanding. Thirdly, the wayyiqtol in a present time
> >gnomic situation in the Proverbs is fairly well attested.
> >See 11:2, 11:8, 12:13, 18:22, 20:26, 21:22, 22:12, 25:4.
> Dear Bryan,
> My reply was sent to you directly by fault; when I
realized it, I
> also sent it to the list. So please feel free to send your
> well as my present one to the list.
> Regarding your three points, I would comment as follows.
> 1) As you know, I do not work with the four text-types.
IMO, the use
> of several verbforms overlap from one to the other and
they are not
> useful for my approach. So I can not comment on your first
> 2) I would not say that the yiqtols used in Prov 31:10 ff.
> typical narrative convention because yiqtol is used with
> function in prose when it refers to the past. Indeed, a
pair of qatal
> // yiqtol is characteristic of poetry--especially of
archaic as well
> as Canaanite poetry, as recognized by scholars. When I
> I followed the current understanding that the two verforms
> interchangeable (see Chapter 10), but presently I doubt.
> try to simply apply the verbal system of prose to poetry,
and se what
> happens. I am checking that possibility, and I think it is
> to do so.
> 3) After checking the examples you quoted for gnomic
> Proverbs, I remain convinced that a different analysis is
> every case according to the usual function of the
verbform. (In your
> list, 20:6 and 21:2 shoud probably be corrected as 20:26
Thank you for the corrections. I have made the corrections
in the copies of our posts that I have forwarded to
> More than that, if the author(s) intended a gnomic saying,
> had specific verbforms at his/their disposal, i.e.
x-yiqtol and the
> nonverbal sentence. Logic demands that different verbforms
> different functions. We should be careful not to assume
> without solid proof.
> >Narrative Discourse,
> >while it is fairly common in Direct Speech in the prose
> >sections of the HB, is quite rare in poetry.
> Examples of what you call Narrative Discourse may be found
> *historical* Psalms such as 107, 114, 135, and 136.
> also be found in prophetic literature--that does not
always speak of
> the future.
> Again, my best wishes.
> Alviero Niccacci
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