The 24 hour "evening and mornings" ???

Peter Kirk Peter_Kirk at sil.org
Tue Aug 29 07:37:32 EDT 2000


Interesting. I thought that "2300 evenings and mornings" was interpreted as
2300 times 12 hours, not 24, so giving the 3 1/2 years which fits what
happened in the time of Antiochus?

Anyway, this is different from Genesis 1 as the number here is CARDINAL
whereas the numbers in Genesis 1 are ORDINAL.

Peter Kirk

----- Original Message -----
From: "Harold R. Holmyard III" <hholmyard at ont.com>
To: "Biblical Hebrew" <b-hebrew at franklin.oit.unc.edu>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:28 PM
Subject: The 24 hour "evening and mornings" ???


> Dear Peter,
>
> You write:
>
> >The "evening and morning" formula is hardly strong evidence as it occurs
> >only in Genesis 1, if I remember rightly. And the lack of examples of YOM
> >with an ordinal number tells us little because I am sure that almost all
> >cases of this outside Genesis 1 are in dates, so in a construction which
is
> >not comparable. Unfortunately, as a general rule in Hebrew studies, the
> >limited size of the corpus and the lack of native speakers means that we
> >cannot argue that a word or phrase must always have a particular meaning
> >from the lack of unambiguous examples of it having another meaning.
>
> Daniel 8:14 is not exactly the same as the "evening and morning formula"
in
> Genesis 1, but there is a similar use of evenings and mornings to define
> time periods the length of a day. The days implied in Dan 8:14 are those
of
> twenty-four hours.
>
> Yours,
> Harold Holmyard
> >
> >Peter Kirk
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Michael Hildenbrand" <hildenbr at Haas.Berkeley.EDU>
> >To: "Biblical Hebrew" <b-hebrew at franklin.oit.unc.edu>
> >Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:19 PM
> >Subject: Re: The 24 hour "evening and mornings" ???
> >
> >
> >> We seem to be slipping in this thread.  I sent what is written below
out
> >> to the list some time this past month.  The issue is a non-issue.  YOM
in
> >> Gen 1 linguistically *has* to refer to a day of the 24 hour variety.
> >> That is a certainty.  Now, what you DO with that is up to your
theology.
> >> It is not optional as to the intent of the author/editor of Gen 1.  The
> >> meaning of YOM is a linguistic question, not theological.
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >> -------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Actually, YOM falls into quite clear categories.  When it is not
augmented
> >> (prefixed article or pronoun-like "b"- or in the plural) and used with
> >> numbers, the word *always* refers to a literal day (some 200x), Gen 1
of
> >> course being a battleground.  Further in Gen 1, YOM is delimited by
> >> "evening and morning" a phrase which is never used in reference to
> >> anything other than a literal day.  I am sure that we do not want to
get
> >> too deeply into this (presuppositions being what they are in this
area)-I
> >> don't either.  BDB had this figured out a long time ago (they have
these
> >> categories very clearly set out).  Also Evan-Shoshan divides up the
usages
> >> quite neatly.
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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