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Will Wagers hyle at
Sat Nov 27 11:02:43 EST 1999

It's not Sunday, so why the sermon?

>Greetings All,
>I'm finding this an interesting discussion, but I'd like to take a moment to
>point out that Scripture ought to be the final Word on how Scripture is
>interpreted and having stated thus I'd like to bring forward the following
>verses that should give context to the question of Genesis 1:2.
>Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself
>that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not
>in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none
>The King James Version
>Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void;
>and the heavens, and they had no light. 24I beheld the mountains, and, lo,
>they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. 25I beheld, and, lo, there
>was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. 26I beheld, and, lo,
>the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken
>down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. 27For thus hath
>the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full
>The King James Version
>I believe that the world BECAME void and without form and this is what is
>expressed in Genesis 1:2 and this is what I teach.  This goes a lot deeper
>and can be readily viewed by taking into consideration that in the Book of
>Ezekiel that Satan is spoken of as a covering cherib, yet immediately upon
>his first appearance in Genesis he is already in a fallen state.  I'd
>suggest reading Ezekiel chapters 28 and 31 specifically.  You will also find
>that Satan was a tree in Eden.
>Going to the New Testament, let's view 2 Peter 3:5-
>2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God
>the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the
>water:  6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water,
>perished: 7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word
>are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and
>perdition of ungodly men.
>The King James Version
>Are you willingly ignorant of the world that then was?
>Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath
>appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
>The King James Version
>What worlds?  These are world AGES.
>Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the
>word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do
>The King James Version
>For those of you that study the Greek as well as Hebrew, please take note of
>the word FOUNDATION in the following verse.  It means overthrow or casting
>DOWN.  The last age was abruptly ended.
>Matthew 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet,
>saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have
>been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
>The King James Version
>I believe and teach that there was an age before this age in which Satan was
>a good soul and all that live now or have lived in the flesh once lived
>together at one time with YHVH, Lord God of Israel.  At the overthrow a
>choice was made to have mankind dwell in flesh to make a choice between
>Satan and Yahshua.  I also teach that the false rapture doctrine (spoken
>against by YHVH in Ezekiel chapter 13) is what will lead many to worship
>Satan when he is released in his role as anti-christ BEFORE the return of
>Messiah.  It's part of the testing; to see who has rightly divided the Word.
>I apologize if this post is not entirely on topic of Biblical Hebrew, but I
>felt the need to allow the Word of God to explain itself in the examination
>of Genesis 1:2.
>Solomon wrote:
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>Sent: Friday, November 26, 1999 8:34 AM
>Subject: Re: New Subscriber
> > Since the verb in question, hayetah, is the Qal perfective of hayah, and
>hayah means
> > both "to be" and "to become," then both "was" and "became" are,
> > speaking, acceptable translations at Genesis 1:2, as a process of
>development is
> > incipient.
> >
> > As Everett Fox notes in "The Five Books of Moses," what is being described
>here is not
> > creatio ex nihilo, but "God's bringing order out of chaos," as typified by
> > va-bohu (Fox's "wild and waste," or "unformed and void," JPS), the "empty"
>or not
> > fully realized condition of the earthly sphere as the home of life, at the
> >
> > Solomon Landers
> > Memra Institute for Biblical Research
> >
> >
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Will Wagers	hyle at	     "Reality is the best metaphor."

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