Jim West jwest at Highland.Net
Thu Nov 11 16:33:55 EST 1999

At 10:32 PM 11/11/99 +0200, you wrote:

>Moses > Elijah is a nice example.


So who is a type of whom? 

40 days without eating for
>both of them, they see God on Mt. Sinai, where they receive
>a commission which they themselves do not fulfill, but which
>must be fulfilled by their successor who is in that respect
>greater than them.  Moses is the covenant mediator, is
>commissioned to tear down the Canaanite altars, kill the
>Canaanites -

Huh?  Where exactly is Moses commissioned to kill canaanites? And when does
he (or Joshua, if that is what you are implying) tear down canaanite altars?

> Elijah complains that Israel has broken the
>covenant, torn down the Lord's altars and killed the Lord's
>prophets, and so he is commissioned to destroy the
>Israelites (except for the remnant that has not kissed

Again, huh?  Which Israelites does Elijah kill?  Are you assuming the
prophets of baal were israelites?  If so, what leads you to that assumption?

>Note that this typological relationship between Moses
>and Elijah would cast the king opposing Elijah (i.e. Ahab)
>in the role of Pharaoh who opposed Moses, and would cast
>Israel as a largely Canaanite (morally speaking) nation.

typological relationship?  i dont think so.  at best we have one modeled on
another but that hardly merits the title of typological.

>Moses cannot carry out his commission because he is
>prevented from entering the land because of his episode of

unbelief?  is the smiting of the rock ever called unbelief in the HB?

>so his successor Joshua does it.  God begins to
>exalt him at the Jordan River (Josh 3:7 "This day I will
>begin to exalt you in the sight of all Israel, that they may
>know that just as I have been with Moses, I will be with
>you").  Before Elijah is taken up to heaven, he reverses the
>steps of Joshua to cross over the Jordan on dry ground, so
>he departs from the same side of the Jordan as Moses was on
>when he died.  Like Joshua, his successor Elisha is then
>exalted in the miracle of the crossing of the dry Jordan,
>and Elisha goes on fulfilling the commission of Elijah.

again, interesting parallels; but not typology.  remember the days of
"parallelomania"?  And now "pan-deuteronomism"?  it seems that you are
seeing types where there are none.  so where do the types stop or start?
what are their limits?  how do you decide what is a type and what is not?
what are your criteria of determination of a type?

>It's interesting that for a believing Israelite the names
>Joshua and Elisha mean the same thing because Eli = jah.

not at all.  how are you deriving elisha? el-yashai?

>The NT extends this typology to the pair John (the Baptist)
>> Jesus, of whom John says "he who comes after me is greater 
>than me."  Like Joshua and Elisha, Jesus (same name) is

now i think you see the danger latent in seeing all kinds of types where
there are none.

>at the Jordon River (his baptism).  The new Pharaoh/Ahab is 
>Herod, and John perishes on the same side of the Jordan as

well then the making of the axe head float must be jesus walking on the
water.  or maybe its peter.

>If you look at John 1, you can also see some parallels with
>Joshua's actions after the crossing of the Jordan.

no- again you are seeing demons behind every tree.  where do you NOT see a type?

>Like Samuel Clemmens said, history doesn't repeat itself,
>but it does rhyme (seems especially true of biblical

well since the bible isnt history the clemens citation isnt really apropos.

again, my central question and that which mosts interests me- where do you
NOT see types at work?




Jim West, ThD
jwest at highland.net

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