Fox's first two days

T.L. Phillips tiphillips at
Wed Oct 28 11:08:44 EST 1998

 Not having a septuaginta around, what does it say? Does it use "chaos"?


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Brailsford <Steve.Brailsford at>
To: Biblical Hebrew <b-hebrew at>
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 8:54 AM
Subject: RE: Fox's first two days

>I really appreciated your pointing out the bias and outlook of Fox's
>translation.  I was not aware of this.
>I would be careful when I used to word chaos.  Although the current
>vernacular is appropriate, there is a distinction in the sciences, or
>specifically Physics, between chaos and randomness.  Chaos infers an order
>that is too complicated to ascertain.  Mathematically, randomness is
>as NO order.  With that definition, I would assert that the appropriate
>to use would be "uncollected and random."  In any event, your separation of
>three days of creation and then three days of ordering is instructive.
> Also, I found an interesting definition or chaos in Expedia.
>Chaos, in one ancient Greek myth of creation, the dark, silent abyss from
>which all things came into existence. According to the Theogony of Greek
>poet Hesiod, Chaos generated Earth, from which arose the starry,
>cloud-filled Heaven. In a later theory, Chaos was the formless matter from
>which the cosmos, or harmonious order, was created.
>I was wondering if they were trying to infer that the OT account was later
>than the Greek mythos.
>Steve Brailsford
>NOBTS Student - Orlando Extension
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bryan Rocine [mailto:596547 at]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 9:31 PM
>To: Biblical Hebrew
>Subject: Re: Fox's first two days
>> >
>> > >> 2  when the earth was wild and waste,
>> >
>> > Though poetic, doesn't the "waste" take away from the meaning here? The
>> > wildness gives cause for the events of the first three days: order is
>> placed
>> > over the chaos, while the following three days populates the emptiness.
>> > Waste doesn't seem to be as apt as the AV "void" or "emptiness", does
>> >
>> >
>> > I think your obsevation on Fox's treatment of _tohu vabohu_ is an
>> > case in point when considring the Fox translation.
>> The first series deals with the tohu reducing the chaos to order, the
>> filling the corresponding void. It would seem that the expression tohu
>> vabohu was explicitly used to point to the structure imposed on the
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