[B-Greek] The use of πρός in John

=) p1234567891 at gmail.com
Wed Jun 1 22:44:23 EDT 2011

(I am really not used to mailing lists.. sorry, Carl, for the double email.)

On 2 June 2011 10:37, =) <p1234567891 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Carl,
> On 2 June 2011 02:19, Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com> wrote:
>> > πρός                The information I found on this seems to indicate
>> that the location meaning in this word is “in front of and facing away
>> from”, the root being προ-.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I was wondering why John chose πρός as the word describing the
>> relationship between the Father and the Son.  I can speculate that John is
>> trying to show Jesus and the Logos in sort of a Greek way, the Logos
>> projecting forth, continuously being generated by the Father from before all
>> time and creation.  I think Philo, the Alexandrian Jew, whose view of the
>> Logos was almost Christian, might agree with this. I checked the Latin
>> translation of John’s gospel and found that it had an equally hard to figure
>> out word, apud.  I have been unable to find a root word for the Latin
>> preposition apud.  The closest I could come was ap- which means away from
>> (Greek áπό)  and that seems to make little sense in this context.
>> πρὸς PROS is a form of πρὸ PRO with the directional suffix -σ -S appended,
>> just as εἰς EIS is a form of ἐν EN with the directional suffix -σ -S
>> appended. PROS means "forward to" or "facing toward"
>> These are all approximations; one really needs to do a word study of the
>> examples for different usages cited in an unabridged lexicon. The upshot of
>> this all, in my thinking (I can't promise that my thinking is the same as
>> that of John the evangelist), is that I would have chosen PROS because it
>> means "facing" or "face to face with."
> Hmm didn't Joe say that Sihler said that "PROS" means "in front of and
> facing away from" rather than "facing towards"? But can it here mean "with
> (close to)" without connotation of direction, as also in [Matt 26:18] "PROS
> SE POIW TO PASCA" = "with you I do/keep the passover", [Mark 6:3] "OUK EISIN
> AI ADELFAI AUTOU WDE PROS HMAS" = "are not his sisters here with us?", [Luke
> 9:41] "EWS POTE ESOMAI PROS UMAS" = "until when will I be with you?"
> David Lim

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