[B-Greek] Spiritual psalms, hymns and songs?--Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16
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Fri Jul 23 00:03:38 EDT 2010
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> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Spiritual psalms, hymns and songs?--Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16
> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:10:20 -0400
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> From: "Leonard Jayawardena"
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> Subject: [B-Greek] Spiritual psalms, hymns and songs?--Ephesians 5:19;
> Colossians 3:16
>> Now that we have got any grammatical objection to translating "YALMOIS
>> (KAI) hUMNOIS (KAI) WiDAIS PNEUMATIKAIS as "spiritual psalms, hymns and
>> songs" out of the way--as George F. Somsel mentioned, Robertson cites DWRA
>> TE KAI QUSIAI MH DUNAMENAI (Heb. 9:9), where the adjective takes the
>> gender of the last noun, which is feminine--the path is clear for me to
>> show that the translation "spiritual psalms, hymns and songs" better
>> expresses the apostle Paul's intention.
> You're right -- it is a possible understanding, but whether it's correct or
> not has to be determined on other grounds. I'm not sure that the rest of
> your discussion is really relevant to b-Greek, though bits of it might be.
> N.E. Barry Hofstetter
LJ: Grammar can only tell us the two possibilities of translating the phrase in question: "spiritual psalms, hymns and songs" or "psalms, hymns and spiritual songs." My post takes the discussion beyond the grammar to show that the latter translation results in the use of the adjective PNEUMATIKH in a way incomprehensible--and even meaningless--given what the three words involved, viz., YALMOS, hUMNOS and WiDH, meant to Paul and his readers in the first century as seen from a study of the use of these words and related verb forms in the LXX and the New Testament. Most of the post taken up with that exercise, which is, I think, relevant to B-Greek.
On the positive side, I have briefly explained what the two passages say if the phrase in question is rendered "spiritual psalms, hymns and songs." That, too, is not rrelevent to B-Greek, is it?
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