[B-Greek] John 8:17 DE

nebarry at verizon.net nebarry at verizon.net
Thu Jul 8 09:14:00 EDT 2010

Yes, and I should have checked that before firing of my response.  How often does this happen in Greek generally, I wonder? My sense of it is still rarely, nor does it negate my final point...


------Original Message------
From: Carl Conrad
To: Barry H.
Cc: B-Greek
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] John 8:17 DE
Sent: Jul 8, 2010 8:29 AM

On Jul 8, 2010, at 7:45 AM, Barry H. wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Inman" <eric-inman at comcast.net>
> To: "'Carl Conrad'" <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> Cc: "'B-Greek'" <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] John 8:17 DE
>> That's why I asked. I thought that connectives like DE were normally the second word in the clause, but on the other hand I couldn't remember ever seeing a clause beginning with KAI DE.
>> In this case would it normally be expected after EN?
> Eric and Carl:
> As I recall, tthat DE is postpositive doesn't mean that it is always the second word of the clause, but that it is never the first.  It rarel (if ever) follows a proclitic like EN but normally follows the first accented word of the clause, with certain exception such as KAI, and (the other way) the article even when it is proclitic.

Well, it certainly isn't rare in the Greek Bible, as I noted a few minutes ago:

44x in the GNT, e.g.
Matt. 3:1 	Ἐν δὲ ταῖς ἡμέραις ἐκείναις ... 
Matt. 13:25 ἐν δὲ τῷ καθεύδειν τοὺς ἀνθρώπους ... 
Luke 1:26 	Ἐν δὲ τῷ μηνὶ τῷ ἕκτῳ ...
Luke 8:40 	Ἐν δὲ τῷ ὑποστρέφειν τὸν Ἰησοῦν ...
136x in the LXX.

> The use of particles is highly idiomatic, and must be determined practically from each author.
> N.E. Barry Hofstetter

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)

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