[B-Greek] Xylos zoes (List parameters)

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Wed Jul 7 05:27:13 EDT 2010


On Jul 7, 2010, at 12:18 AM, George F Somsel wrote:

> Obviously multiple trees cannot at the same time be one tree, but mythologically 
> speaking there should be no difficulty.  What else would "a tree" of life be if 
> not the Tree of Life in Genesis?  Unless you can produce a known something to 
> which our author would be referring, I must assume that he can only be referring 
> to the Tree of Life in the Garden which would be known to his readers.

Please let's not speak mythologically: it gets into hermeneutical questions which
lie outside the parameters of proper B-Greek list discussion. Let's stick to matters
of Greek text, grammar and immediate context.

Carl W. Conrad
Co-Chair, B-Greek List


> ________________________________
> From: Michael Aubrey <mga318 at yahoo.com>
> To: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>; Mark Lightman 
> <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>; Pere Porta <pporta7 at gmail.com>; Brant Clements 
> <clements at grics.net>
> Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 6:40:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Xylos zoes
> 
> 
> If it appeared that I thought they were the same tree, then I need to state 
> explicitly that I do not think they are. All I said was that the difference in 
> the use of the article is related to how identifiable the article's noun is to 
> the audience -- at least as perceived by the author.
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
> To: Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>; Michael Aubrey <mga318 at yahoo.com>; 
> Pere Porta <pporta7 at gmail.com>; Brant Clements <clements at grics.net>
> Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 8:50:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Xylos zoes
> 
> 
> ἐν μέσῳ τῆς πλατείας αὐτῆς καὶ τοῦ ποταμοῦ ἐντεῦθεν καὶ ἐκεῖθεν ξύλονζωῆςποιοῦν 
> καρποὺς δώδεκα, κατὰ μῆνα ἕκαστον ἀποδιδοῦν τὸν καρπὸν αὐτοῦ, καὶ τὰ φύλλα τοῦ 
> ξύλου εἰς θεραπείαν τῶν ἐθνῶν.
> EN MESWi THS PLATEIAS AUTHS KAI TOU POTAMOU ENTEUQEN KAI EKEIQEN CULON ZWHS 
> POIOUN KARPOUS DWDEKA KATA MHNA hEKASTON APODIDOUN TON KARPON AUTOU KAI TA FULLA 
> TOU CULOU EIS QERAPEIAN TWN EQNWN.  
> 
> 
> In light of the fact that the author of the Apocalypse relies quite heavily on 
> the mythological portraits of the OT in speaking of the Dragon (or Leviathon or 
> Rahab in the OT) and other such elements, I hardly think "John" would be 
> referencing "a different tree."  He was speaking of a figure well-known to his 
> audience.  [It would be advisable for everyone to read Hermann Gunkel's 
> _Schöpfung und Chaos_ now FINALLY translated as _Creation and Chaos in the 
> Primieval Era and the Eschaton_ to gain an understanding of the usage of OT 
> imagery here]  That he fails to use the article here to introduce "the Tree of 
> Life" as a known concept may be accounted for by the fact that in the New 
> Jerusalem Trees of Life are simply ubiquitous (ἐντεῦθεν καὶ ἐκεῖθεν ENTEUQEN KAI 
> EKEIQEN).
> 
>  george
> gfsomsel




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