[B-Greek] Xylos zoes

Michael Aubrey mga318 at yahoo.com
Tue Jul 6 21:40:12 EDT 2010


If it appeared that I thought they were the same tree, then I need to state 
explicitly that I do not think they are. All I said was that the difference in 
the use of the article is related to how identifiable the article's noun is to 
the audience -- at least as perceived by the author.



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From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
To: Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>; Michael Aubrey <mga318 at yahoo.com>; 
Pere Porta <pporta7 at gmail.com>; Brant Clements <clements at grics.net>
Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 8:50:56 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Xylos zoes


ἐν μέσῳ τῆς πλατείας αὐτῆς καὶ τοῦ ποταμοῦ ἐντεῦθεν καὶ ἐκεῖθεν ξύλονζωῆςποιοῦν 
καρποὺς δώδεκα, κατὰ μῆνα ἕκαστον ἀποδιδοῦν τὸν καρπὸν αὐτοῦ, καὶ τὰ φύλλα τοῦ 
ξύλου εἰς θεραπείαν τῶν ἐθνῶν.
EN MESWi THS PLATEIAS AUTHS KAI TOU POTAMOU ENTEUQEN KAI EKEIQEN CULON ZWHS 
POIOUN KARPOUS DWDEKA KATA MHNA hEKASTON APODIDOUN TON KARPON AUTOU KAI TA FULLA 
TOU CULOU EIS QERAPEIAN TWN EQNWN.  

 
In light of the fact that the author of the Apocalypse relies quite heavily on 
the mythological portraits of the OT in speaking of the Dragon (or Leviathon or 
Rahab in the OT) and other such elements, I hardly think "John" would be 
referencing "a different tree."  He was speaking of a figure well-known to his 
audience.  [It would be advisable for everyone to read Hermann Gunkel's 
_Schöpfung und Chaos_ now FINALLY translated as _Creation and Chaos in the 
Primieval Era and the Eschaton_ to gain an understanding of the usage of OT 
imagery here]  That he fails to use the article here to introduce "the Tree of 
Life" as a known concept may be accounted for by the fact that in the New 
Jerusalem Trees of Life are simply ubiquitous (ἐντεῦθεν καὶ ἐκεῖθεν ENTEUQEN KAI 
EKEIQEN).

 george
gfsomsel 


… search for truth, hear truth, 
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.


- Jan Hus
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 From: Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
To: Michael Aubrey <mga318 at yahoo.com>; Pere Porta <pporta7 at gmail.com>; Brant 
Clements <clements at grics.net>
Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Tue, July 6, 2010 7:16:44 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Xylos zoes

If that is what he is saying, I agree with Mike that the lack of the
article in Rev. 22:2 may imply that it is a different tree.  According to the
author, Jesus makes all things new, even trees, and even life.  
 Mark L 



FWSFOROS MARKOS 




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From: Michael Aubrey <mga318 at yahoo.com>
To: Pere Porta <pporta7 at gmail.com>; Brant Clements <clements at grics.net>
Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 11:21:22 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Xylos zoes

According to Stephanie Bakker (_The Noun Phrase in Ancient Greek_, 2009) the use 

of the article is dependent upon how identifiable the author perceives the 
article's noun to be by the audience. In this case, whether the two phrases mean 

the same thing is dependent upon how these two authors viewed this particular 
tree and recognizable by their audience. I'm not sure that's question we can 
really answer.

Now, if you're really wondering  whether they're talking about the same tree, 
well that's very different question.

Mike Aubrey
http://evepheso.wordpress.com



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From: Pere Porta <pporta7 at gmail.com>
To: Brant Clements <clements at grics.net>
Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 9:42:03 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Xylos zoes

Dear all,

I submit to you a question on "Xylos (tes) zoés".

It appears for the first time in Gn 2:9.
It appears again in several places. Also in Pr 3:18.
And perhaps mainly again in the book of Revelation.
My questions are:
1. Does "xylos zoés" in Pr 3:18 mean quite the same thing as "xylos  tes
zoés" in Rev
22:19?

2. If they do not mean exactly the same thing.... what then are the
differences?

Pere Porta
(Barcelona, Catalonia, Northeastern Spain)
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