[B-Greek] What case does the object of AUQENTEIN take? - 1 Tim 2:12

Michael Aubrey mga318 at yahoo.com
Sat Jan 16 23:40:07 EST 2010


Strange, I could have sworn that every lexical study of this verb from both sides of the debate have acknowledged that we cannot come to a firm conclusion about the meaning of this verb.




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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] What case does the object of AUQENTEIN take? - 1 Tim 2:12

Nikolaos said:
> It is clear Greek with a clear and everlasting meaning.

Really?? Too bad for the women, I guess. The meaning is clear, but, EVERLASTING??? 

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On Jan 16, 2010, at 9:05 PM, Nikolaos Adamou wrote:

> 
> ----------------------------------------
>> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:12:36 -0800
>> From: papaweiss1 at yahoo.com
>> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>> Subject: [B-Greek] What case does the object of AUQENTEIN take? - 1 Tim 2:12
>> 
>> yancywsmith wrote:
>>> 
>>> Outside the NT I have seen AUTHENTEIN + gen. in patristic sources
>>> (like Eusebius) with the meaning "take the authority of x" where x is
>>> a sphere where authority is exercised. For example, speaking of the
>>> divine right of Constantine to supreme power, he says that τῆς
>>> δὲ κρίσεως αὐθεντεῖ ὁ ὕψιστος θεός
>> 
>> Payne interacts with these later uses of AUQENTEIN in the chapter in
>> his book I mentioned, and it may be among the best of the recent
>> studies of the word. Payne concludes that in 1 Tim 2:12  it means "to
>> assume authority" (versus "to exercise authority" or "to dominate").
>> 
>> But the definition/meaning of AUQENTEIN in 1 Tim 2:12 was not my
>> original question. However, it appears my original question has been
>> answered - i.e., the object of AUQENTEW/AUQENTEIN can be
>> expected to be in the genitive case, so AUQENTEIN ANDROS means
>> "to assume authority (using Payne's determined meaning) [over] a man."
>> 
>> - - -
>> Eric S. Weiss
> 
> 
> οὐδὲ αὐθεντεῖν ἀνδρός
> Do not forget the word OYDE
> so it is 
> "to NOT assume authority over a man"
> but to be in quietness,
> and further down he gives an explanation.
> 
> It is clear Greek with a clear and everlasting meaning.
> 
> ________________________________
> Nikolaos Adamou, Ph.D. 
> Associate Professor of Business Management 
> BMCC / CUNY Πανεπιστήμιο 
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