[B-Greek] DOKEIN in Gal 2:6-10

Oun Kwon kwonbbl at gmail.com
Mon Feb 1 21:48:29 EST 2010


Thanks for further(!) clarification.

Speaking of DE, I may like to read it as 'There, when it happened that
~', in order to stay away from contrastive idea of 'When, however'
'But, when' 'Later when'.

Oun Kwon.

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org> wrote:
>
> Just a couple of comments.
>
> I agree that hOI DOKOUNTES refers to the respected and recognized
> leaders/pillars of the Jerusalem church, and it is likely that it refers
> specifically to the three apostles: James, Peter and John.
>
> The perceived negative slant may come from the English "seemed to be leaders" as
> in NIV. This is a mistake carried over more or less from the KJV and the RSV,
> but a mistake that has been corrected in the TNIV: "those esteemed as leaders"
> (2:2) , NIV: "As for those who seemed to be important" (2:6), TNIV: "As for
> those who were held in high esteem". NIV: "those reputed to be pillars" (2:9),
> TNIV: "those esteemed as pillars".
>
> Paul does comment on the fact that revelation from God takes precedence over
> estimation by people, but he also recognizes that for many people the opinion of
> recognized leaders and especially apostles was very important.
>
> A side comment that has nothing to do with Greek, but a lot to do with hortatory
> discourse: There is nothing in the text that suggests that the incident in Gal
> 2:11-21 happened after the events of Gal 2:1-10, but there is much that suggest
> that it happened before. Gal 2:11-21 prepares the way for chapter 3 and is not
> linked time wise to 2:1-10. The DE in v. 11 does not mean "but", rather it
> introduces a new paragraph. NIV and TNIV at least got that right. This is an
> example where Western assumptions of chronology lead to dubious conclusions. I
> only mention this because Carl stated that assumption in passing.
>
> Iver Larsen

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Conrad" <cwconrad2 at mac.com>

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> > I think that Mark's note cited above hits the nail on the head. Those referred
> > to by the substantive participial DOKOUNTES in Gal 2:6-9 are Peter, James, and
> > John; what they did, when consulted by Paul about his missionary work among
> > Gentiles, according to Paul's explicit statement, was to approve of it without
> > imposing any additional obligation (οὐδὲν προσανέθεντο [OUDEN PROSANEQENTO])
> > and to acknowledge the legitimacy of Paul's mission to Gentiles as parallel to
> > Peter's mission to Judeans.
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> >
> > Carl W. Conrad



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