[B-Greek] 1 John 4:2 and 2 John 7
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Tue Dec 28 05:03:38 EST 2010
> From: iver_larsen at sil.org
> To: leonardj at live.com; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 John 4:2 and 2 John 7
> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:47:04 +0300
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> From: "Leonard Jayawardena" <leonardj at live.com>
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> Sent: 27. december 2010 11:26
> Subject: [B-Greek] 1 John 4:2 and 2 John 7
> > 1 John 4:2: KAI PAN PNEUMA hO hOMOLEGEI IHSOUN CRISTON EN SARKI ELHLUTOTA EK
> > TOU QEOU ESTIN.
> > 2 John 7: hOTI POLLOI PLANOI EXHLQON EIS TON KOSMON, hOI MH hOMOLOGOUNTES
> > IHSOUN CRISTON ERCOMENON EN SARKI ....
> > All the translations I have been able to check except Moffat take IHSOUN
> > CRISTON EN SARKI ELHLUTOTA as the object of hOMOLOGEW in 1 John 4:2 and IHSOUN
> > CRISTON ERCOMENON EN SARKI as the object of hMOLOGEW in 2 John 7, resulting in
> > the following translations:
> > 1 John 4:2: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the
> > flesh is of God (KJV)
> > 2 John 7: For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not
> > acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh .... (NASB).
> > In commentaries that adopt the above interpretations of these two verses, it
> > is customary to call such denial an error of "docetic Gnosticism." But the
> > actual issue involved is simply the denial on the part of some that Jesus is
> > the Christ (cf. 1 John 2:22; 5:1); therefore it is best to translate these
> > verses as follows, taking IHSOUN CRISTON in both cases as an object-complement
> > double accusative.
> > 1 John 4:2: And every spirit that confesses that Jesus is Christ come in the
> > flesh is of God.
> > 2 John 7: For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who deny that
> > Jesus is Christ coming in the flesh ....
> > In both verses the idea is that the flesh and blood human being known to the
> > world as Jesus is the Christ.
> > In John 9:22, we have the same verb hOMOLOGEW used with an object-complement
> > construction: EAN TIS AUTON hOMOLOGHSHi CRISTON--"if any one confessed him
> > [Jesus] to be Christ."
> > Moffat, the only exception I have noted, translates 1 John 4:2 as "every
> > spirit that confesses Jesus as Christ incarnate comes from God."
> > I checked with Wallace and was happy to see that he agrees with me on the
> > translation of the subject verses (see note 41 on p. 188).
> > Leonard Jayawardena
> Wallace is discussing Rom 10:9 on p. 188. He does talk about an
> object-complement construction here (or double accusatives), and in note 41 he
> refers to three other places where this verb takes an object-complement, namely
> John 9:22, 1 Jn 4:2 and 2 Jn 7. But I don't see him discussing the details of
> the two verses you refer to.
LJ: True, Wallace doesn't discuss in detail the verses mentioned on this page, but beginning from p. 187 he discusses Romans 10:9, EAN hOMOLOGHSHiS EN THi STOMATI SOU KURION IHSOUN ... SWQHSHi, and advocates the interpretation "If you confess with you mouth Jesus [as] Lord ... you shall be saved." In note 41, he says, "We should most likely take it [i.e., KURION IHSOUN in Romans 10:9] as an object-complement construction because of the following: (a) the verb used [hOMOLOGEW] can take an object-complement (cf. John 9:22; 1 John 4:2; 2 John 7) ...."
>From this I infer that Wallace takes IHSOUN CRISTON in John 4:2 and 2 John 7 as an object-complement. In the very least, he thinks that that is a possible interpretation.
> It could as well be that he takes IHSOUN CRISTON as the compound object and the
> following participles as the complement (second object). Confessing Jesus Christ
> as the one who has come in the flesh. That is how I would take it, and as you
> say, that is the normal understanding. However, the NET follows your
> understanding, and it is grammatically possible.
> 1 John does talk about people denying or believing that Jesus is the Christ, but
> he uses a different construction to show this as seen in 2:22 and 5:1.
> Iver Larsen
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