Blue Meeksbay bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com
Tue Aug 24 18:03:43 EDT 2010

I wrote earlier in my post to Iver – <However, your point is well taken, most 
commentators do not see it the way I suggested.>
I finally found one commentator who basically believed that the discourse was 
given to the Greeks. Albert Barnes (1798 – December 24, 1870). He was an 
American theologian, having graduated from Princeton Theological Seminary in 
1823.  He said,  –   *22. Telleth Andrew. Why he did not at once tell Jesus, is 
not known. Possibly he was doubtful whether Jesus would wish to converse with 
Gentiles, and chose to consult with Andrew about it. Tell Jesus.   Whether the 
Greeks were with them cannot be determined. From the following discourse it 
would seem probable that they were, or at least that Jesus admitted them to his 
presence and delivered the discourse to them.*  
I think this most definitely proves three things. 1) There are others who 
believe the antecedent of AUTOIS could be the Greeks. 2) If you look long enough 
you can always find someone to agree with you!  3) It doesn’t really prove 
anything, since Barnes and I could be wrong! 

Regards,Blue Harris

From: Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org>
To: Oun Kwon <kwonbbl at gmail.com>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 9:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] A REMOTE ANTECEDENT IN JOHN 12:20-26??

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From: "Oun Kwon" <kwonbbl at gmail.com>
To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: 23. august 2010 20:18
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] A REMOTE ANTECEDENT IN JOHN 12:20-26??

> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org> wrote:
> <clipped>
>> So, the AUTOIS in v. 23 refers to the crowd gathered around him,
>> including the disciples and these Greeks.
>> Jesus is not specifically addressing the Greeks.
>> (And he probably did not speak in Greek to the crowd.)
>> Why does John mention these Greeks (Gentiles)?
>> Possibly because this is the last public speech Jesus gives,
>> and the inclusion of the Greeks' wish to meet Jesus foreshadows
>> that the gospel is to be preached to Greeks, too, so that ALL
>> may believe in Jesus as the Messiah and receive eternal life (20:31).
> <clipped>
>> Iver Larsen
> I might just add Alford's footnote here:
> * *v. 23* Did the Greeks see (i.e. speak with) Jesus, or not?* Certainly *
> not*, if I understand His discourse rightly.

Thanks. Let me add that Alford wrote long before the discipline of discourse 
studies as we know it today was developed.

Iver Larsen 

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