[B-Greek] John 14:30b what sense?

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sun Aug 15 16:20:07 EDT 2010

ἀλλὰ ἔχω κατὰ σοῦ ὅτι τὴν ἀγάπην σου τὴν πρώτην ἀφῆκες.
Re 2.4


… search for truth, hear truth, 
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.

- Jan Hus

From: Eric Inman <eric-inman at comcast.net>
To: Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org>; Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>; 
Oun Kwon <kwonbbl at gmail.com>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 10:25:33 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] John 14:30b what sense?

I'm just guessing, but for "he has nothing on me (i.e. no accusation,
charge, etc.)" I would expect a more confrontational preposition, such as
KATA or PROS. For "he has nothing over me (i.e. no power, authority, etc.)",
I would expect EPI to be more likely.

Eric Inman

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From: Iver Larsen [mailto:iver_larsen at sil.org] 
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 10:23 AM
To: Mark Lightman; Eric Inman; Oun Kwon; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] John 14:30b what sense?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Lightman" <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
To: "Eric Inman" <eric-inman at comcast.net>; "Oun Kwon" <kwonbbl at gmail.com>;
<b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: 15. august 2010 16:26
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] John 14:30b what sense?

> Eric wrote
> <I get the feeling that the author of John tends to formulate his own  
> idioms rather than just using preexisting ones due to the highly  
> repetitive nature of his phrasing and rephrasing of things. Therefore  
> I tend to like a rather literal translation into English, thus  
> allowing corresponding English idioms to form as well. The English  
> translations might not occur in normal English, but I'm not sure that  
> John's phrasings were normal Greek. Thus in Johanine idiomatic  
> English I would just say "he has nothing in me". In proper English I  
> would say "he is completely separate from me".>
> Hi, Eric,
> It's not just you.  I get a similar feeling.  When I read John, I 
> always notice something about the Greek.  It's Greek, and it's not 
> Greek.  It's simple and artless, and yet something is going on that is 
> deeply creative.  You put your DAKTULON on it well.

What about "He has nothing on me"? He has nothing to put his DAKTULON on, no
sin, no fault, and therefore no accusation and no power. (I might translate
"He has no power/authority over me." A fairly standard translation since
RSV.) Jesus does his Father's bidding, not the bidding of the "ruler of this

Iver Larsen 

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