[B-Greek] Fwd: Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, Ch. XLVIII, §1

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Sun Aug 1 06:41:15 EDT 2010


I think this was intended for the list as a whole rather than for me alone. (CWC)

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> From: Octavio Rodriguez <octaviors at gmail.com>
> Date: August 1, 2010 6:00:23 AM EDT
> To: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, Ch. XLVIII, §1
> 
> I think we should put the indefinite article so as to read:
> "For, when you say that this Christ is a God who pre-existed before the ages..."?
> 
> It would be in agreement with the context, because in another passage Justin says
> that this Christ  is "ALLOS QEOS KAI KURIOS" subject to the Maker of all things. 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Octavio Rodriguez
> 
> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> On Aug 1, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Michael Baber wrote:
> 
> > I am not sure if non-biblical texts are allowed, so if they're not, please delete the post beforehand.
> >
> > τὸ γὰρ λέγειν σε προϋπάρχειν θεὸν ὄντα πρὸ αἰώνων τοῦτον τὸν Χριστόν...
> >
> > TO GAR LEGEIN SE PROUPARXEIN QEON ONTA PRO AIWNWN TOUTON TON XRISTON...
> >
> > Could this be translated as, "For, when you say that this Christ is God who pre-existed before the ages..."?
> >
> > Thank you.
> 
> 
> If you've not read the BG FAQ at http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/faq.html, you should. It states pretty
> clearly: "Some topics ordinarily discussed on B-Greek are:
> -- The Greek language of the Bible and related texts such as the Greek OT (Septuagint/LXX), Koiné
> Greek texts illustrative of the practice of speakers and writers of Greek in the NT era, Patristic Greek
> texts, etc.;  ... " So you are clearly within the parameters. It's not unheard of, moreover, for us to
> have occasional talk about other, even secular Greek literature.
> 
> As for your substantive question, almost any Greek text "could be translated" in a variety of ways.
> What you have suggested is certainly one way to English the text you've cited. Another way might
> be: "Your assertion that this Christ, since he is God, existed before all the ages ... " I think you've
> understood the sense of the Greek aright, and THAT is always the primary concern, while how the
> sense of the Greek is to be made clear in another language is really a different concern altogether.
> I think we focus sometimes too closely on how to translate a text rather than on how to understand
> it as a Greek text.
> 
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> 
> 
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Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)






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