[B-Greek] "result" expressed by adverbial participles?

Dr. Don Wilkins drdwilkins at verizon.net
Tue Apr 20 19:21:59 EDT 2010

Thanks, Elizabeth. It looks like we have common ground here, at  
least. To me, BDF is not particularly difficult, nor even long as a  
reference grammar. ATR's historical Grammar and the multi-volume set  
originally under Moulton are more impressive and challenging. And I  
agree with Carl Conrad in preferring Smyth's Grammar (just 784 pp.  
including indices etc.) overall. So I hope you're right about Hoyle's  
paper having about one-tenth the number of obscure terms found in  
BDF. Should be a snap, unless I need to read the entire work (847  
pp.). But if you need explanations for any old-school terms, feel  
free to ask any old codger on b-greek. I'm sure someone will be happy  
to respond. We're even happy to hear suggestions on how to improve  
old-school meta language (i.e. improve, not just change). How about  
the same for terms like "grammaticalize" and "prenuclear"? Thanks for  
the hint about the latter, BTW; in an ordinary context I might have  
thought you were talking about pre-World War 2 history.

Don Wilkins

On Apr 20, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Elizabeth Kline wrote:

> On Apr 20, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Dr. Don Wilkins wrote:
>> Very well. I for one will. But this challenge sounds very much  
>> like one scholar demanding those in other fields to master the  
>> literature of her own, with its own specialized vocabulary, or  
>> else go home and mind their own business.
> Thank you Don,
> I have owned BDF for decades, it is almost impossible to read, has  
> it's own meta language that is at least 10 times as large (number  
> of obscure terms) than Hoyle's paper which is probably the most  
> lucid work I have read on NT text linguistics. Steve made this  
> point already, we all use meta language. I find posts which use old  
> school grammar meta language very difficult to comprehend. One of  
> the reason's I talk here much is I just don't have clue what people  
> are getting at half the time.
> greetings,
> Elizabeth Kline
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