[B-Greek] FOBOS in Eph 5-6

Richard Lindeman oblchurch at msn.com
Mon Apr 5 08:23:04 EDT 2010


Elizabeth:

Let me restate my thought. Yes, it is fear and trembling of Christ, but it
is not a fear in connection with his "terror of person", but rather a fear
and trembling in connection with his "glory of person". Huge difference.

And having stated that, let me also apologize for failing to comment upon
the Greek in this matter. I suppose that another approach might be to take
FOBOU CHRISTOU as being "fear in connection with Christ" (aka mystical
union) rather than "fear of Christ" (Christ as object).

I am making this argument from context...
CHRISTOS ANESTH,  ANESTH ALHTHWS

Rich Lindeman


On 4/4/10 9:37 PM, "Richard Lindeman" <oblchurch at msn.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> Elizabeth:
> 
> I do not associate the "fear and trembling with Christ so much as with
> POIOUNTES TO QELHMA TOU QEOU EK YUCHS. On the other hand, EN hAPLOTHTI THS
> KARDIAS hUMWN is what I associate more closely with TWi CRISTWi.
> 
> Rich Lindeman 
> 
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>> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 13:50:04 -0700
>> From: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: [B-Greek] FOBOS in Eph 5-6
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>> Eph. 6:5 ?? ??????, ????????? ???? ???? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ??? ??????
>> ?? 
>> ???????? ??? ??????? ???? ?? ?? ??????,  6 ?? ???? ?????????????? ??
>> ????????????? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? ????????? ?? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ?????,
>> 7 
>> ???? ??????? ??????????? ?? ?? ????? ??? ??? ?????????,
>> 
>> Eph. 6:5 hOI DOULOI, hUPAKOUETE TOIS KATA SARKA KURIOIS META FOBOU KAI TROMOU
>> EN hAPLOTHTI THS KARDIAS hUMWN hWS TWi CRISTWi,  6 MH KAT? OFQALMODOULIAN hWS
>> ANQRWPARESKOI ALL? hWS DOULOI CRISTOU POIOUNTES TO QELHMA TOU QEOU EK YUCHS,
>> 7 MET? EUNOIAS DOULEUONTES hWS TWi KURIWi KAI OUK ANQRWPOIS,
>> 
>> Eph. 5:21 ????????????? ???????? ?? ???? ???????,
>> 
>> Eph. 5:21 hUPOTASSOMENOI ALLHLOIS EN FOBWi CRISTOU,
>> 
>> FOBOS is used several times in this context, I am wondering why we should
>> water down the force of it in one place and not in the others. In other
>> words, 
>> why should EN FOBWi CRISTOU be watered down to "reverential respect" when we
>> have META FOBOU KAI TROMOU ... hWS TWi CRISTWi. This assumes that  hWS TWi
>> CRISTWi looks backwards, someone might argue that it looks forwards.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Elizabeth Kline
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