[B-Greek] Mark 7:18-19

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sat Oct 31 21:12:04 EDT 2009


18καὶ λέγει αὐτοῖς·οὕτως καὶ ὑμεῖς ἀσύνετοί ἐστε;οὐ νοεῖτε ὅτι πᾶν τὸ ἔξωθεν εἰσπορευόμενον εἰς τὸν ἄνθρωπον οὐ δύναται αὐτὸν κοινῶσαι 19ὅτι οὐκ εἰσπορεύεται αὐτοῦ εἰς τὴν καρδίαν ἀλλʼ εἰς τὴν κοιλίαν, καὶ εἰς τὸν ἀφεδρῶνα ἐκπορεύεται, καθαρίζων πάντα τὰ βρώματα; 
18 KAI LEGEI AUTOIS, "hOUTWS KAI hUMEIS ASUNETOI ESTE?  OU NOEITE hOTI ECWQEN EISPOREUOMENON EIS TON ANQRWPON OU DUNATAI AUTON KOINWSAI  
19 hOTI OUK EISPOREUETAI AUTOU EIS THN KARDIAN ALL' EIS THN KOILIAN, KAI EIS TON AFEDRWNA EKPOREUETAI", KAQARIZWN PANTA TA BRWMATA.


I'm still inclined to link it to Jesus as the subject of LEGEI.  The sequence would then be KAI LEGEI AUTOIS " . . . ", KAQARIZWN PANTA TA BRWMATA.
 george
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From: Albert Pietersma <albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca>
To: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
Cc: B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>; Wieland Willker <wie at uni-bremen.de>
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 5:44:54 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Mark 7:18-19


On Oct 31, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Carl Conrad wrote:
>
> As much sense as it may make that the KOILIA should be purged/
> cleansed, does it not even so seem odd to no one that we're talking
> NOT about "purging the stomach" but rather abut "purging/purifying all
> foods." That remains for me the stickler that renders the reading
> KAQARIZON insupportable.
Carl's astute observation tempts me to break my rule of not commenting  
on the NT unless the LXX is involved. As he notes, the object of  
KAQARIZW/ON is not KOILIA but PANTA TA BRWMATA. Thus the text is not  
about purging the abdomen but about purifying all the foodstuffs.  
From that perspective one might then suggest that KAQARIZW (= class.  
KAQAIRW) has to do not with purging or ritual purification but rather  
with a separating of what is useful from what is waste. So, for  
example, LSJ (sub KAQAIRW) cites an instance (albeit from ii AD) of  
winnowing grain, i.e., separating the kernels from the chaff. Like  
winnowing the human digestive tract might be said to separate the  
nutrients from the waste (left-over). Both enter the KOILIA but only  
the latter is excreted.

Why the masculine participle (KAQARIZWN)? While the dash in my NT text  
reflects, of course, an editorial decision, it seems nonetheless  
appropriate, given the syntactic interruption. Since ANQRWPOS is  
clearly the thematic subject of the passage, might ANQRWPOS therefore  
account for the masculine participle? It is thus ANQWRWPOS, or rather  
his digestive process that "purifies," i.e., separates the waste from  
the nutrients.

To be sure, the comment is an aside (an editorial comment on Jesus'  
words), and not strictly a propos the contrast between what goes into  
the KOILIA in distinction from what comes out of the KARDIA. Yet,  
without the aside, might the text be read to suggest that what a  
person eats simply enters the mouth, passes through the bowels, and is  
then excreted? Surely the ancients knew better than that!
One might thus gloss KAQARIZWN PANTA TA BRWMATA as:  "---- seeing that  
he (ANQRWPOS) purifies (purges?) all foodstuffs."
Anyway, my two farthings
Al



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