[B-Greek] Mark 7:18-19 & Matthew 15:17

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Thu Oct 29 14:52:16 EDT 2009


On Oct 29, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Nikolaos Adamou wrote:

>
> Ιn Matthew 15:17 we have:
> “οὐ νοεῖτε ὅτι πᾶν τὸ  
> εἰσπορευόμενον εἰς τὸ στόμα εἰς  
> τὴν κοιλίαν
> χωρεῖ καὶ εἰς ἀφεδρῶνα ἐκβάλλεται;
>
> Ou noeite hoti pan to eisporeuomenon eis to stoma eis tin koilian
> xwrei kai eis afedrwna ekballetai?
>
> In Mark 7:18-19 we have:
> “18 καὶ λέγει αὐτοῖς·
> Οὕτω καὶ ὑμεῖς ἀσύνετοί ἐστε; οὔπω  
> νοεῖτε ὅτι
> πᾶν τὸ ἔξωθεν εἰσπορευόμενον εἰς  
> τὸν ἄνθρωπον
> οὐ δύναται αὐτὸν κοινῶσαι;
> 19 ὅτι οὐκ εἰσπορεύεται αὐτοῦ εἰς  
> τὴν καρδίαν, ἀλλὰ
> εἰς τὴν κοιλίαν, καὶ εἰς τὸν  
> ἀφεδρῶνα ἐκπορεύεται, καθαρίζον  
> πάντα τὰ βρώματα.”
>
> Kai legei autois; houtw kai umeis asynetoi este? Oupw noeitai hoti pan
> to exwthen eisporeuomenon eis ton anthrwpon oy dunatai auton koinwsai?
> Hoti ouk eisporeuetai autou eis tin kardian, alla eis tin koilian, kai
> eis ton afedrwna ekporeuetai, katharizwn panta ta brwmata.

BG-FAQ:
"

> Καθαρίζον in:
>
> 1.  http://apostolic.interlinearbible.org/mark/7.htm
> 2.  Stephanus Textus Receptus (1550, with accents)
> 3.  Byzantine/Majority Text (2000)
> 4.  Textus Receptus (1894)
> 5.  Andoniadis(1904)/Greek Orthodox Church
>
> Καθαρίζων in:
>
> 1.  Westcott/Hort with Diacritics
> 2.  Tischendorf 8th Ed. with Diacritics
> 3.  http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?book=34&chapter=7&lid=en&side=r&verse=19&zoomSlider=0
>
> The participle Καθαρίζων or Καθαρίζον is determined  
> by its subject.
> The subject is the phrase “πᾶν τὸ ἔξωθεν  
> εἰσπορευόμενον” and
> it is neuter not masculine, thus, the participle is in agreement with
> it and it is also neuter, as
> Καθαρίζον.
>
> It the correct was Καθαρίζων would require a masculine  
> subject, but
> there is not such thing in this sentence.
>
> Sinaiticus codex that follows the masculine form is not free of
> similar errors, so all those that follow its tradition.
>
> The statistical majority does not provide evidence of what is correct
> and what it is not.
>
> The similar subject phrase is in Matthew “πᾶν τὸ  
> εἰσπορευόμενον εἰς τὸ
> στόμα” which is also neuter, non masculine.
>
> If you want to see more clearly focus in the following parts of the
> phrase in its affirmative form: “πᾶν τὸ ἔξωθεν  
> εἰσπορευόμενον εἰς τὸν
> ἄνθρωπον εἰσπορεύεται εἰς τὴν  
> κοιλίαν, καὶ εἰς τὸν ἀφεδρῶνα
> ἐκπορεύεται, καθαρίζον πάντα τὰ  
> βρώματα.”  Which is almost the same of
> what Matthew gives in interrogative form “πᾶν τὸ  
> εἰσπορευόμενον εἰς τὸ
> στόμα εἰς τὴν κοιλίαν χωρεῖ καὶ εἰς  
> ἀφεδρῶνα ἐκβάλλεται;”
>
> I would be very interest to see Chrysostom's argument in support of
> Καθαρίζων.
>
> --
> Nikolaos Adamou, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor,
> CUNY/BMCC
>
>
>> From: bjwvmw at com-pair.net
>> To: leonardj at live.com; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:46:54 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Mark 7:18-19
>>
>> Dear Leonard,
>>
>> I could be wrong here, but ISTM that KAQARIZON may have been  
>> pronounced
>> similarly to KAQARIZWN at the time of Mark writing his gospel.  
>> There is also
>> Metzger's comment in his Textual Commentary on page 95,
>>
>>    "The overwhelming weight of manuscript evidence supports the  
>> reading of
>> KAQARIZWN. The difficulty of construing this word in the sentence  
>> (1) prompted
>> copyists to attempt various corrections and ameliorations."
>>
>>    "(1)    Many modern scholars, following the interpretations  
>> suggested by
>> Origen and Chrysostom, regard KAQARIZWN as connected grammatically  
>> with LEGEI in
>> ver. 18, and take it as the evangelist's comment on the  
>> implications of Jesus'
>> words concerning Jewish dietary laws."
>>
>> I would agree with the latter assessment since the parallel passage  
>> of Matthew
>> 15:10-20 gives a more detailed explanation of what Jesus is saying.  
>> This is
>> especially true of 16-20 which is a detailed answer to Peter's  
>> question in vs.
>> 15. It seems that Mark is just summarizing the Matthean passage for  
>> his Roman
>> audience since Jesus' statement in vss. 18-19 concerns Jewish  
>> dietary laws.
>>
>> En Xristwi,
>>
>> Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Leonard Jayawardena" <leonardj at live.com>
>> To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:05 PM
>> Subject: [B-Greek] Mark 7:18-19
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark 7:18-19: KAI LEGEI AUTOIS ... KAQARIZWN PANTA TA BRWMATA.
>>
>> There is a variant reading KAQARIZON. If we substituted this for  
>> KAQARIZWN, the
>> sense would be that the digestive and elimination processes of the  
>> body purifies
>> the food consumed?
>>
>> Leonard Jayawardena
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