[B-Greek] MISEW in Lk 14:26

Albert Pietersma albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Tue Oct 27 15:57:00 EDT 2009


Sorry, George, it doesn't matter how many references are cited. The  
point remains that a NEW sense of MISEW cannot be based Gen 29.31. At  
best Gen 29:31 can corroborate an established sense. If you think  
otherwise, please argue your case.
Al
On Oct 27, 2009, at 3:03 PM, George F Somsel wrote:

> Not only does BDAG cite Gen 29.31 but Dt 21.15, 16 as well
>
> 15 Ἐὰν δὲ γένωνται ἀνθρώπῳ δύο  
> γυναῖκες, μία αὐτῶν ἠγαπημένη καὶ  
> μία αὐτῶν μισουμένη, καὶ τέκωσιν  
> αὐτῷ ἡ ἠγαπημένη καὶ ἡ μισουμένη,  
> καὶ γένηται υἱὸς πρωτότοκος τῆς  
> μισουμένης, 16 καὶ ἔσται ἧ ἂν ἡμέρᾳ  
> κατακληροδοτῇ τοῖς υἱοῖς αὐτοῦ τὰ  
> ὑπάρχοντα αὐτοῦ, οὐ δυνήσεται  
> πρωτοτοκεῦσαι τῷ υἱῷ τῆς  
> ἠγαπημένης ὑπεριδὼν τὸν υἱὸν τῆς  
> μισουμένης τὸν πρωτότοκον,17 ἀλλὰ  
> τὸν πρωτότοκον υἱὸν τῆς μισουμένης  
> ἐπιγνώσεται δοῦναι αὐτῷ διπλᾶ ἀπὸ  
> πάντων, ὧν ἂν εὑρεθῇ αὐτῷ, ὅτι  
> οὗτός ἐστιν ἀρχὴ τέκνων αὐτοῦ, καὶ  
> τούτῳ καθήκει τὰ πρωτοτόκια.
>
> Septuaginta : With morphology. 1996, c1979 (Dt 21:15-17). Stuttgart:  
> Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft.
>
> 15 EAN DE GENWNTAI ANQRWPWi DUO GUNAIKES, MIA AUTWN HGAPHMENH KAI  
> MIA AUTWN MISOUMENH, KAI TEKWSIN AUTWi hH HGAPHMENH KAI hH  
> MISOUMENH, KAI GENHTAI hUIOOS PRWTOTOKOS THS MISOUMENHS, 16 KAI  
> ESTAI hH AN hHMERAi KLHRODOTHi TOIS hUIOIS AUTOU TA hUPARXONTA  
> AUTOU, OU DUNHSETAI PRWTOTOKEUSAI TWi hUIWi THS HGAPHMENHS hUPERIDWN  
> TON hUION THS MISOUMENHS TON PRWTOTOKON, 17 ALLA TON PRWTOTOKON  
> hUION THS MISOUMENHS EPIGNWSETAI DOUNAI AUTWi DIPLA APO PANTWN, hWN  
> AN hEUREQHi AUTWi, hOTI hOUTOS ESTIN ARXH TEKNWN AUTOU, KAI TOUTWi  
> KAQHKEI TA PRWTOTOKIA.
>
>
>
> george
> gfsomsel
>
>
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> From: Albert Pietersma <albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca>
> To: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
> Cc: greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tue, October 27, 2009 11:15:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] MISEW in Lk 14:26
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Elizabeth Kline wrote:
>
> >
> > On Oct 27, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Aaron Marshall wrote:
> >
> >> Hence, MISEW does not mean "to love less"
> >
> > J. W. WEVERS, Noteson the Greek Text of Genesis (SBLSCS 35; Atlanta
> > 1993) p. 471
> >
> > "So MISEITAI is intended as 'less loved'."
> Wevers is here going beyond what the text can bear. MISEW is used not
> to balance with v. 30 but because the source text has SN). Whatever
> balancing occurs occurs in the Hebrew text. Whether it occurs in the
> Greek text as well hinges on what MISEW can mean in common usage. But
> to posit a new sense to fit Gen 29:31 clearly will not. The most one
> can do is to invoke the distinction between "reference" and "sense,"
> i.e. between exegesis and lexicography. While in this specific passage
> one might suggest that v.30 may soften the force of MISEW in v. 31,
> MISEW in v. 31 is not thereby given a new sense.
> More to the point than Wevers is NETS: "Now when the Lord saw that
> Leia was hated." Lastly, it bears noting that v. 30 reads: (HGAPHSEN
> DE RAXHL) MALLON H (LEIAN). While this might be glossed as "He loved
> Rachel MORE THAN Leia" (so NETS) it might equally well be rendered as
> "He loved Rachel RATHER THAN Leia."
> Al
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> > Elizabeth Kline
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