[B-Greek] The Lightman Paradox of Greek Audio Learning

Vasile STANCU stancu at mail.dnttm.ro
Mon Oct 26 17:00:15 EDT 2009


Why don't you try it this way:
- pick a piece of Greek text;
- read it aloud several times, until you are satisfied with your fluency;
- make an audio recording of the same text by reading it yourself aloud;
Note: the text should be long enough so as to avoid memorizing it 'by mistake' while practicing reading/recording. Or, make several recordings now and use them significantly later;
- play the record while reading the same printed text; I bet you'll be amazed of your suddenly fully developed ability to read while listening; and perhaps you would even love it;
- invite another person to do the same experiment;
Note: it would be important that you and the other person spend some time reading together so that both you and the other person employ as exactly as possible the same pronounciation patterns.
- exchange the audio recordings with the other persons and... my guess is that you will have the same good result as with your own recording, even with a text which is at 'first sight' for you.

Here are some conclusions you may draw from such experience:
- it is not the process itself, i.e., reading and listening simultaneously, that generates the difficulty in view here; rather, it is the discrepancy – quite harsh at times – between what you hear while listening to other people's reading aloud, and the audio outcome you expect your own reading to be virtually producing. Probably this is why you have no difficulty listening to English while reading Greek: your natural ability to immediately comprehend what you hear in English gives you enough freedom to follow the written Greek text; moreover, it is normal, I believe, for one who is in the process of learning a foreign language to understand more easily what he reads than what he hears;
- you will have to be quite rigorous with yourself at the stage of recording, and so you will probably accept more and more reluctantly the various inconsistencies that are found in other people's reading samples.

I suspect such an approach may very well cover the other two parts of the paradox.

Vasile Stancu

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From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Mark Lightman
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 8:57 PM
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [B-Greek] The Lightman Paradox of Greek Audio Learning

I am calling this the Lightman Paradox because (a)
I discovered it and (b) I can’t imagine that it will be
of much interest to anyone BUT me.
The Lightman Paradox of Greek Audio Learning has three parts.
ONE:  In order to be able to listen to and understand the Greek
New Testament, you have to listen to it over and over again and
you have to read it over and over again, but listening to it and
reading it at the same time has almost no value. 
You cannot really concentrate on the spoken Greek
text and read it at the same time.  It’s best to give your
full attention to listening to it.  But reading the Greek text
over and over again will make this much easier.  You will hear
phrases that you don’t recognize or understand.  You have
to look these up in the Greek text SEPARATELY,
master them, and then go back to listening WITHOUT
the Greek text in front of you.  A few months ago,
a product came out that read the Greek aloud while
a cursor went over the written Greek text.  This
detonated on the list an explosion of discussion
concerning  pronunciation but no one commented
on the value of the product itself.  If the makers of this
product knew about the Lightman Paradox, they would 
not have produced it.  It has almost no value.  TWO: 
Listening to the Greek text read aloud while reading
an ENGLISH translation does not have almost no
value, it has ABSOLUTELY no value.  Maybe I’m
the only guy dumb enough to have tried this, but it is
a complete waste of time.  While you can to a very
limited extent absorb SOME audio info and reading
info at the same time if it is all in Greek, all reading an
English translation does is shut off your ability to listen
to the Greek.  You simply cannot listen to Greek and
read English at the same time.  THREE:  But, on the other
hand, listening to an ENGLISH recitation of the text while
reading the GREEK text does have quite a bit of value.
Many of us know this from personal experience.  For
years, we have been taking our Greek New Testaments
to Church.  When Bible readings are read in English, 
we follow along in our Greek texts.  You CAN do both
at the same time, and it IS helpful in drilling rare vocabulary
to hear the word in English and read it in Greek at the same
time.  You can hear an English translation and it will give you
insights into the structure of the Greek right then and there,
just like reading an English translation (or, better yet,
many English translations like in the Precise Parallel New
Testament or in the NET Diglot notes) opposite a Greek
text will help you unpack the Greek.  Now, leave aside
for the moment the issue of Greek immersion.  Many
would say you should avoid English all together, but the
Lightman Paradox does not address that issue. 
All I’m saying is that you get absolutely nothing out 
of TWO, almost nothing out of ONE, but quite a lot out
THREE.  Maybe what you get out of THREE is bad
because you are reinforcing English glosses, but I think
 those of us who do this at Church know that it has helped
 our Greek, even if we remain incorrigible decoders.
The paradox of the Lightman Paradox is that it takes
much more mental energy to listen to Greek than to read 
Greek, but much LESS mental energy to listen to English
 than to read English.  This is because, I guess, adults
 lose the ability to learn how to listen but get better and 
better at learning how to read.   

Mark L


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