[B-Greek] Matthew 26:64 συ ειπας
George F Somsel
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Thu Oct 22 21:49:26 EDT 2009
64λέγει αὐτῷ ὁ Ἰησοῦς·σὺ εἶπας.πλὴν λέγω ὑμῖν·ἀπʼ ἄρτι ὄψεσθε τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ ἀνθρώπουκαθήμενον ἐκ δεξιῶν τῆς δυνάμεως καὶ ἐρχόμενον ἐπὶ τῶν νεφελῶν τοῦ οὐρανοῦ.
64 LEGEI AUTWi hO IHSOUS, "SU EIPAS. PLHN LEGW hUMIN, 'AP' ARTI OYESQE TON hUION TOU ANQRWPOU KAQHMENON EK DECIOWN THS DUNAMEWS KAI ERXOMENON EPI TWN NEFELWN.
Generally Jesus' statement here is understood in the sense of "You said it, Bubba." Note W. F. Albright's comment in the Yale Anchor Bible commentary on Matthew.
64. The words are yours. This answer appears evasive in English; however, cf. 26:25and Notethere. (Mark records unambiguously, “I am!”) If the Sanhedrin was to carry a capital charge to Pilate, it had to be such as to leave no doubt in the mind of the governor. John’s gospel is clear that it was a charge of making himself a king which constituted the principal accusation, though the point is made far more directly than in the synoptic gospels. There were, in any case, so many theological interpretations of Messiahship, that Jesus’ reply does not commit him to one view or another. Cf. for Jesus’ answer the reply of Bar Kappara to questions as to whether Rabbi Judah the Patriarch (late second century a.d.and editor of the Mishnah) was dead or not. Bar Kappara, aware that it had been proclaimed that anyone who announced Rabbi Judah’s death was to be killed, discovered that the patriarch was dead. He said to the crowd, “Angels and mortals took
hold of the holy ark. The angels overpowered the mortals and the holy ark has been captured.” To a direct question as to whether that meant that Rabbi Judah was dead, Bar Kappara replied, “You said it; I did not say it.”
Albright, W. F., & Mann, C. S. (2008). Matthew: Introduction, translation, and notes (332). New Haven; London: Yale University Press.
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From: Cornell Machiavelli <cornellmachiavelli at yahoo.com>
To: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>; greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Matthew 26:64 συ ειπας
I think you are correct: none are used in the sense of answering a question. However, I certainly want to thank you for providing these citations. Seeing this expression in SOME context is better than nothing at all!
I am really trying to discover when this "idiom" first started being used, by itself, for an affirmative (assuming it is) answer.
C. Q. Machiavelli
From: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Matthew 26:64 συ ειπας
On Oct 22, 2009, at 2:34 PM, Elizabeth Kline wrote:
> the exact string SU EIPAS isn't very common.
For some reason Diogones overlooked the LXX
Num. 11:21 καὶ εἶπεν Μωυσῆς ἑξακόσιαι χιλιάδες πεζῶν ὁ λαός ἐν οἷς εἰμι ἐν αὐτοῖς καὶ σὺ εἶπας κρέα δώσω αὐτοῖς φαγεῖν καὶ φάγονται μῆνα ἡμερῶν
1Kings 1:24 καὶ εἶπεν Ναθαν κύριέ μου βασιλεῦ σὺ εἶπας Αδωνιας βασιλεύσει ὀπίσω μου καὶ αὐτὸς καθήσεται ἐπὶ τοῦ θρόνου μου
Tob. 8:6 σὺ ἐποίησας Αδαμ καὶ ἔδωκας αὐτῷ βοηθὸν Ευαν στήριγμα τὴν γυναῖκα αὐτοῦ ἐκ τούτων ἐγενήθη τὸ ἀνθρώπων σπέρμα σὺ εἶπας οὐ καλὸν εἶναι τὸν ἄνθρωπον μόνον ποιήσωμεν αὐτῷ βοηθὸν ὅμοιον αὐτῷ
Ezek. 27:3 καὶ ἐρεῖς τῇ Σορ τῇ κατοικούσῃ ἐπὶ τῆς εἰσόδου τῆς θαλάσσης τῷ ἐμπορίῳ τῶν λαῶν ἀπὸ νήσων πολλῶν τάδε λέγει κύριος τῇ Σορ σὺ εἶπας ἐγὼ περιέθηκα ἐμαυτῇ κάλλος μου
NUM. 11:21 KAI EIPEN MWUSHS hEXAKOSIAI CILIADES PEZWN hO LAOS EN hOIS EIMI EN AUTOIS KAI SU EIPAS KREA DWSW AUTOIS FAGEIN KAI FAGONTAI MHNA hHMERWN
1KINGS 1:24 KAI EIPEN NAQAN KURIE MOU BASILEU SU EIPAS ADWNIAS BASILEUSEI OPISW MOU KAI AUTOS KAQHSETAI EPI TOU QRONOU MOU
TOB. 8:6 SU EPOIHSAS ADAM KAI EDWKAS AUTWi BOHQON EUAN STHRIGMA THN GUNAIKA AUTOU EK TOUTWN EGENHQH TO ANQRWPWN SPERMA SU EIPAS OU KALON EINAI TON ANQRWPON MONON POIHSWMEN AUTWi BOHQON hOMOION AUTWi
EZEK. 27:3 KAI EREIS THi SOR THi KATOIKOUSHi EPI THS EISODOU THS QALASSHS TWi EMPORIWi TWN LAWN APO NHSWN POLLWN TADE LEGEI KURIOS THi SOR SU EIPAS EGW PERIEQHKA EMAUTHi KALLOS MOU.
I don't suspect that any of these examples answer questions. So perhaps this is useless. I haven't taken the time to read all of them.
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