[B-Greek] Rom 10:3

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Sun Oct 11 20:50:57 EDT 2009


On Oct 11, 2009, at 7:19 PM, John Wilking wrote:

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> --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com> wrote:
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> From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Rom 10:3
> To: "John Wilking" <jcwilking at yahoo.com>
> Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 12:10 PM
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> On Oct 11, 2009, at 10:05 AM, John Wilking wrote:
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>> I'm trying to make sense of KAI THN IDIAN ZHTOUNTES STHSAI.  If we  
>> pick up DIKAIOSUNHN from the previous clause we are left with  
>> STHSAI THN IDIAN DIKAIOSUNHN.  Does something like this occur  
>> elsewhere?
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> The full text: Rom. 10:3 ἀγνοοῦντες γὰρ τὴν  
> τοῦ θεοῦ δικαιοσύνην καὶ τὴν ἰδίαν  
> [δικαιοσύνην] ζητοῦντες στῆσαι, τῇ  
> δικαιοσύνῃ τοῦ θεοῦ οὐχ  
> ὑπετάγησαν. [AGNOOUNTES GAR THN TOU QEOU DIKAIOSUNHN KAI  
> THN IDIAN [DIKAIOSUNHN] ZHTOUNTES STHSAI, THi DIKAIOSUNHi TOU QEOU  
> OUC hUPETAGHSAN. ]
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> It's not altogether clear what it is you are asking. Is it, "What  
> does STHSAI THN IDIAN DIKAIOSUNHN mean?" I'd say that the sense is  
> something like "set up their own notion of what is fair" or "set up  
> their own notion of what is right." Paul Tillich once suggested a  
> trichotomy of "autonomy," "heteronomy," and "theonomy." In terms of  
> that
> STHSAI THN IDIAN DIKAIOSUNHN might be equivalent to Tillich's term  
> "autonomy," which I take to mean observance of principles that one  
> chooses for him or herself rather than abiding by principles  
> proposed by God.
>
> The nearest equivalent
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> JCW  Or instances of similar structure that use different abstract  
> nouns as a way of getting a handle on the semantics of the verb  
> hISTHMI.  For example, does something like STHSAI THN IDIAN KPISIN  
> occur anywhere?

There is no other instance than the text I cited, Mark 7:9. As for  
STHSAI, I think that BDAG s.v. hISTHMI #2 is right on target here:  
this is a figurative extension of the literal sense, "cause to be in a  
place or position."

>  to the phrase in question that I find in the GNT is Mark 7:9 καὶ  
> ἔλεγεν αὐτοῖς· καλῶς ἀθετεῖτε τὴν  
> ἐντολὴν τοῦ θεοῦ, ἵνα τὴν  
> παράδοσιν ὑμῶν στήσητε. [KAI ELEGEN AUTOIS·  
> KALWS AQETEITE THN ENTOLHN TOU QEOU, hINA THN PARADOSIN hUMWN  
> STHSHTE. ], something like, "You've got a neat way of nullifying  
> God's commandment so as to put your own tradition in place."


Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)






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