cwconrad2 at mac.com
Wed May 27 06:53:49 EDT 2009
On May 27, 2009, at 6:15 AM, Br Nathan-James wrote:
> I’m trying to determine the best way to translate elthatō, Verb 3d
> Person Singular 2nd Aorist Active Imperative erchomai to ensure that
> I capture the sense of the aorist active imperative.
> I (am) looking at this in the context of Matt 6:9-10 where we have
> three aorist imperatives; (2 passive) ἁγιασθήτω
> (hagiastheto), γενηθήτω (genetheto) and one active
> ἐλθέτω (eltheto). What I am after is how to distinguish in
> english the difference between the two passives and the one active.
> If anyone has any thoughts I’d be happy to know ... reading
> grammars does not seem to get me where I would like to go.
The standard English mode of expressing the third-person imperatives,
as you're probably aware, is "Let x (the subject of the Greek
imperative) y (the verb of the Greek imperative). So,
ἁγιασθήτω τὸ ὄνομά σου· ἐλθέτω ἡ
βασιλεία σου· γενηθήτω τὸ θέλημά
σου ... [hAGIASQHTW TO ONOMA SOU, ELQETW hH BASILEIA SOU; GENHQHTW
TO QELHMA SOU ... ] = "Let your name be kept holy; let your kingdom
come; let your will come to be ... "
Many people think this is very awkward English. Some would prefer a
periphrasis with "may" instead of with "let": "May your name be kept
holy; may your kingdom come, may your will come to be/be done ... "
That's the older English auxiliary for a present subjunctive, but in
today's English it sounds more like a wish (this is what NET uses).
Perhaps that's appropriate, however: a prayer cannot very well COMMAND
God to bring something about but only fervently request that these
petitions may be fulfilled.
A radically different alternative is adopted by Eugene Peterson in
"Reveal who you are. Set the world right; Do what’s best— as
above, so below. "
This may seem like a radical departure from the original Greek text,
but if one bears in mind that the fulfilment of the three petitions
can only be brought about by God, then maybe it is sensible to
rephrase the petitions as direct commands to God to bring about the
things to be accomplished.
I don't think that solution will appeal to all, but it reflects one
way of understanding what the Greek text means and one way of
expressing in today's English what the translator is convinced the
text actually means.
This is not the proper forum for discussion of the philosophy of
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At any rate, you've hit upon a difficulty that is confronted sooner or
later by all who confront the Biblical Greek text and find themselves
more or less powerless to give proper expression to what the Greek
text says in their native language.
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