[B-Greek] hAGNIZOMAI with the genitive in I Tr 3:13

Mark Lightman lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Mon May 25 14:25:36 EDT 2009


Nikolaos,
 
Here's chapter 13 from Lake's text on line at Christian Classics
Ethereal Library.  I hope it displays okay.
 
XIII
1. Ἀσπάζεται ὑμᾶς ἡ ἀγάπη Σμυρναίων καὶ Ἐφεσίων. μνημονεύετε ἐν ταῖς προσευχαῖς ὑμῶν τῆς ἐν Συρίᾳ ἐκκλησίας, ὅθεν καὶ οὐκ ἄξιός εἰμι λέγεσθαι, ὢν ἔσχατος ἐκείνων. 2. ἔρρωσθε ἐν Ἰησοῦ Χριστῷ, ὑποτασσόμενοι τῷ ἐπισκόπῳ ὡς τῇ ἐντολῇ, ὁμοιως καὶ τῷ πρεσβυτερίῳ. καὶ οἱ κατ’ ἄνδρα ἀλλήλους ἀγαπᾶτε ἐν ἀμερίστῳ καρδίᾳ. 3. ἁγνίζεται ὑμῶν τὸ ἐμὸν πνεῦμα οὐ μόνον νῦν, ἀλλὰ καὶ ὅταν θεοῦ ἐπιτύχω. ἔτι γὰρ ὑπὸ κίνδυνόν εἰμι· ἀλλὰ πιστὸς ὁ πατὴρ ἐν Ἰησοῦ Χριστῷ πληρῶσαί μου τὴν αἴτησιν
 καὶ ὑμῶν, ἐν ᾧ εὑρεθείητε ἄμωμοι.
 
Mark L. 


--- On Mon, 5/25/09, Nikolaos Adamou <nikolaos.adamou at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Nikolaos Adamou <nikolaos.adamou at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [B-Greek] hAGNIZOMAI with the genitive in I Tr 3:13
To: lightmanmark at yahoo.com, "b-Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 11:13 AM




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I agree with Carl, it has to be some textual variation.

Since I do not have an access to the text before and below this phrase i do not want to expand, but, "hAGVIZETAI hUMWN TO EMON PNEUMA" is problematic.
<hAGVIZETAI TO EMON PNEUMA> is meaningful.
<hAGVIZETAI hYPER hUMWN TO EMON PNEUMA> is also meaningful.

If you can give me the complete sentence, or even few sentences I can say more.

Hagnizomai, is a typical verb that its meaning is the action or the status that comes from the adjective.
Agnos, agne, agno
thus
agnizomai is the action of becoming agnos/e



Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:38:57 -0700
From: lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [B-Greek] hAGNIZOMAI with the genitive in I Tr 3:13
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org; nikolaos.adamou at hotmail.com






Nikolaos,
 
I'd love to hear what you think hAGNIZOMAI means, plus
your take on the genitive hUMWN.
 
Maybe it means something like "my spirit is
getting clean on your behalf...?"
 
Carl may be correct about the text being 
in question.  Bauer seems to be quoting from
a text which has hUPER instead of the
bare genitive  All I have is Holmes, which does
not have a note.  Is a critical text available
on line or does anyone have one? 
 
Mark L. 

--- On Mon, 5/25/09, Nikolaos Adamou <nikolaos.adamou at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Nikolaos Adamou <nikolaos.adamou at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [B-Greek] hAGNIZOMAI with the genitive in I Tr 3:13
To: lightmanmark at yahoo.com, "b-Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 10:03 AM




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Mark, 
hAGVIZETAI is not dedicated
check for the appropriate  meaning


> Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:46:29 -0700
> From: lightmanmark at yahoo.com
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [B-Greek] hAGNIZOMAI with the genitive in I Tr 3:13
> 
> 
> Ignatius' Letter to the Trallians 13:3:
> ἁγνιζεται ὑμων το εμον πνευμα, ου μονον
> 
> νυν αλλα και ὁταν θεου επιτυχω
>  
> hAGVIZETAI hUMWN TO EMON PNEUMA, OU MONON
> VUV ALLA KAI hOTAN QEOU EPITUCW
>  
> "My spirit is dedicated to you, not only now, but when I
> obtain God."
>  
> What do we make of the hUMWN being in the genitive?
> Sometimes I don't care to characterize what type of
> genitive something is, but in this case, if you had to 
> characterize it, how would you?  Don't say "genitive of
> dedication."  Is there such a thing as a genitive of
> advantage?  Is there any chance that agency is meant
> here, as if with hUPO?  Other than just saying that
> this verb in the middle can take the genitive, is there
> something germane to the genitive that I am missing here?
> Can anyone think of similar verbs that take the genitive?
> I could not find any similar uses of hAGNIZOMAI
> with the bare genitive in the NT or in the lexicons.
>  
> Mark L. 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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