[B-Greek] Need recommendations to relearn syntax

Sarah Wagner xaipre at yahoo.com
Mon May 25 07:54:03 EDT 2009

Thanks for the info. I actually stumbled into the JACT series right after I posted my message. It looked good, and since everyone recommended it I may just spring the $60 for it.

I see also that there is now a Workbook for Athenaze. At least, for Book 2 (the Workbook for Book 1 seems not to actually exist???). I suppose I would only really need the workbook for Book 2, I seem to remember that Book 1 moved dreadfully slow. 

If I remember the theory of learning languages correctly, using multiple (good) tools helps ensure that there are no gaps or misunderstandings. So I'll try to browse what I can without getting confused.

--- On Mon, 5/25/09, Andrew Pike <pk_ndrw at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: Andrew Pike <pk_ndrw at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Need recommendations to relearn syntax
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 4:31 AM

Hello Rachel,
I hope you don’t mind me offering some advise?
Carl’s already mentioned the ‘JACT’ book, these books have got some useful tips and exercises in them. The sections up to chapter thirteen are particularly good as they mention various grammatical terms (for example the ‘genitive absolute’) that are need from beginner to intermediate Greek, they also contain some useful charts and descriptions with reference to grammatical issues in the back of the book.  As Carl previously mention both of these books can be purchased through Amazon, they are a collection of several books which includes ‘Reading Greek – Grammar, Vocabulary and Exercise (ISBN13: 978-0-521-21977-8)’ and ‘An Independent Study Guide To Reading Greek (ISBN 0-521-47863-4).’ These two books can get tough in parts, but because you already have background knowledge in Greek you should be able to go through these books quite easily. 
Another good book that I have found useful is ‘A Primer Of Greek Grammar’ this to contains some important grammatical points that I myself have found useful in studying Greek, another added bonus is that it is relatively cheap to buy. Another good book I can recommend is ‘Greek Prose Composition’ which can be downloaded for free from a website called ‘Texkit’ – it is more of a beginners grammar, but still may be useful in familiarising yourself with certain terms, it is free to download in ‘PDF form.’  Here is the link: 
Other useful downloads can be found at this site too:
There are also a few free Koine grammars available on line:
Perseus is also good:
I hope that these links come in helpful?
From, Andy
--- On Mon, 25/5/09, Sarah Wagner <xaipre at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sarah Wagner <xaipre at yahoo.com>
Subject: [B-Greek] Need recommendations to relearn syntax
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Monday, 25 May, 2009, 1:02 AM

Hate to drop in and whine, but I've got a question I can't solve, and thought maybe asking all of you would provide me an answer.

I need to know Classical/Koine/Byzantine Greek very well, and I've taken plenty of Greek courses, but my understanding of grammar is pretty spotty, and it gets me into loads of trouble. The reasons for this spottiness is complicated, but date back to the time of my initial Greek course, which I went into with an incomplete knowledge of grammar in general, when my prof had a stroke part way through and my class got saddled with a round-robin of substitutes from the department, each of whom managed to make members of the class drop out in quiet desperation. Not only that, this was quite a few years ago, and what I managed to learn then has become increasingly rusty.

Now that summer is here (and a bit of "me" time) I want to correct this. My problems largely lie in syntax. I still know verb and noun forms, but piecing it all together...well, that's the trouble. I know that to get better at Greek you have to read it, but at the moment reading anything is frustrating and discouraging. Trouble is, I'm not exactly sure what it is that I don't know.  Most things on the web that I've seen are too basic or just drill forms/vocab. So I thought to maybe pick up a grammer book and just start back at the beginning, but then I'll need a book which concentrates upon sentence structure and not just "transfer this passage in 1 John into English words" exercises (that sounds harsh, but I trust you'll all understand what I'm getting at). My textbook in my initial (problematic) Greek course was Athenaze. I remember liking it. I understand that a new edition has come out - is it a real improvement or should I just dig out my old
books? I have an aversion to Mounce - bad memories of Bible majors in college proudly telling that they could read 30% of the New Testament after the first week of class or something (and then looking at me like I had three heads when I tried to explain the troubles I had with reading Lysias), plus I don't understand his need to seperate a form into a million different parts. 

What I think I'm looking for, then, is a book which is a comprehensive graded grammer with plenty of exercies (and an answer key, I can get pretty delusional about what I'm doing, and I won't have access to a tutor over the summer). Also, I'm not a linguistics guru, so something highly technical or dense isn't going to make any sense to me. What I really need, though I hate to say it, are some good intensive worksheets on syntax. I need to be able to sit with my pencil and play around with sentences and understand how the different forms/particles impact meaning, over and over again. I'm not sure if what I'm looking for even exists (or if what I'm looking for is actually what I need even) but there is a dizzying array of Greek books on the market right now, and I'm getting dizzy trying to figure out which one would be most helpful for my situation. So if any of you have any recommendations for me, any at all, I would be most appreciative.


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