[B-Greek] Greek-to-Latin translation of BOULOMAI with 2 subjects and 2 complementary infinitives

Steven Cox stevencox_backonbgreek at yahoo.co.uk
Thu May 21 03:58:53 EDT 2009


butterfingers : "I would have expected ornare, not ornantes"



--- On Thu, 21/5/09, Steven Cox <stevencox_backonbgreek at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: Steven Cox <stevencox_backonbgreek at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [B-Greek] Greek-to-Latin translation of BOULOMAI with 2 subjects and 2 complementary infinitives
To: "B Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 7:47 AM


Sorry, I know this is stretching the limits of what B-Greek is for, but this question relates to how BOULOMAI, and possibly other any other verbs taking complementary infinitives also capable of dual subjects (e.g. maybe QELW though I can't see a NT example?) are translated into Latin.

Can someone with a better command of the differences between Greek and Latin syntax please explain to me why the second modal infinitive CWRHSAI  in 2Pe3:9 remains a passive infinitive "reverti" in Latin, however in 1Tim2:8-9 the second subject infinitive KOSMEIN becomes a present participle "ornantes" in the Vulgate?

I have checked the textual apparatus in NA27 and Nova Vulgata (1979 Vatican) and the Greek and Latin texts appear consistent.


2 Pe 3:9 BOULOMENOS TINAS APOLESQAI ALLA PANTAS EIS METANOIAN CWRHSAI 
= nolens aliquos perire sed omnes ad paenitentiam reverti

BOULOMENOS  [subj1]+APOLESQAI, (but) [subj2]+CWRHSAI 
= nolens [subj1]+perire, (but) [subj2]+reverti

modal - subject1 infinitive1, (but) subject2 infinitive2.
(no problem there).



1Tim2:8-9 BOULOMAI OUN PROSEUCESQAI TOUS ANDRAS EN PANTI TOPWi 
EPAIRONTAS hOSIOUS CEIRAS CWRIS ORGHS KAI DIALOGISMOU.
WSAUTWS KAI GUNAIKAS EN KATASTOLH KOSMIW META AIDOUS
KAI SWFROSUNHS KOSMEIN EAUTAS MH EN PLEGMASIN
KAI CRUSW H MARGARITAIS H IMATISMW POLUTELEI

volo ergo viros orare in omni loco levantes puras manus sine ira et disceptatione 
similiter et mulieres in habitu ornato cum verecundia
et sobrietate ornantes 
se non in tortis crinibus aut auro aut
margaritis vel veste pretiosa

BOULOMAI [subject1] PROSEUCESQAI, (likewise and) [subject2] KOSMEIN
= volo [subject1] orare, (likewise and) [subject2] ornantes

I would have expected orarare, not ornantes. The only thing I can think of is that the Latin is taking WSAUTWS as refering to PROSEUCESQAI not BOULOMAI or EN PANTI TOPWi, hence: 
= 2:8. volo [subject1] orare levantes..
= 2:9. [volo] [subject2] [orare] ornantes..

Or is there a simpler explanation?
Steven







      
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