[B-Greek] Reasons for listening to Greek

Randall Buth randallbuth at gmail.com
Tue May 19 04:49:20 EDT 2009

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Daniel, Robert S <rob.daniel at hp.com> wrote:
> I pre-ordered a copy of this, and am looking forward to when it
> arrives. I would like to thank Dr. Buth for his efforts in producing
> this, as well as the other Living Koine/Hebrew materials.
> From personal experience of having learned another language
>by hearing it spoken by native speakers daily for most of a year, I
> am convinced that this method of learning is faster and more
> effective than others.

This normally resonates with people who have successfully
developed spoken fluency in some language as an adult. They
know the game, they know the lay of the land.

> I have been using recordings by Simon and by Zodhiates so far,
> and it will be good to hear a different pronunciation scheme that
> is more like Koine was actually pronounced than like modern
> Greek. I found that when I first listened to Simon, having started
> with Erasmian pronunciation, it was very difficult to understand.
> But after a week or two of accustoming the ear, your ear
> automatically adapts itself.
> So far, the way that I have used audio recordings is that I first read
> a chapter of, say, Mark. Then I reread it, using a highlighter to mark
> the words I need to look up. Then I look up all the highlighted
> words, and write in the meanings on my copy (printed from the
> Internet). Then I start listening to it over and over, following the
> printed text as necessary. By the time that I can listen and
> understand without reading along, I find that the meanings of
> the new words have migrated from short-term to long-term
> memory. By far the most time-consuming part of this process
> is looking up the new words. Because there are thousands of
> new words to learn, anything that can speed up this process is
> of great value. Looking up words in a lexicon is doubtless a
> good learning experience in itself, and no doubt builds
> character. But it is very time-consuming. And something needs
> to be done, after looking them up, to fix the meanings in the
> mind. I find this one of the most valuable effects of listening.
> Part of learning is a physiological process. I am not a scientist,
> but my understanding is that when you learn a new language,
> the brain literally re-wires itself for the new language. I believe
> that auditory pathways are important components of this
> circuitry, and that by listening we foster the development of these
> new nerual pathways. I realize there is more than one way to skin
> a cat, as they say, but for me this approach to learning works
> better than others.
> Rob

As mentioned above, aural-oral incorporation is seen as productive
by most who attain a second language fluency as an adult.

There is no doubt that we grow a new bowl of spaghetti when we
learn a new language, though it does interwine with previous
languages. I am not sure if 'grammar-translation'
interwines much with previous languages, though. It
seems pretty artificial and can sometimes be walled off in a
directory along with chemistry and biology data if totally devoid
of audio input.

PS: my wife and I listened to the ASKHSEIS to 1John last night
on a drive to/from the beach (about an hour from the Judean
hills). They were done several years ago when the text recordings
aimed more at natural speed than at student listening. So the
ASKHSEIS were necessary, especially for denser pieces like
IAKWBOY. Except for listening to oneself, the spaces were
pleasant while driving and my wife could ask occasional
questions. And it helps fix certain collocations like words that
take genitives, etc.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Randall Buth
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:56 AM
> To: B Greek
> Subject: [B-Greek] Reasons for listening to Greek
> Reasons for Listening to Greek
> 1. Listening to a reading is a relaxing and fast way of reviewing material.
> 2. Listening to the text should allow one to concentrate on visualizing the meaning rather focusing on the spelling.
> 3. Listening can be done while one's hands are occupied or in low light conditions.
> 4. Listening encourages one to process the material at a natural speed of communication.
> 5. Listening allows one to recreate the original communicative setting where these writings were expected to be read aloud. If one listens in a koiné dialect, the listening also reproduces some of the sound allusions and ambiguities or avoidance of other possible ambiguities that were in the original text. See 7c, too, where 'the ability to understand different dialects' may benefit Erasmians.
> 6. Listening helps to keep a language 'current'.
> 7. Listening is very beneficial for language learning at all stages.
> a. Listening allows a beginner to cover more material with faster input than would be done through the medium of a new orthography and a strange script.
> b. For beginners, good readings provide help with accurate pronunciation and should help with remembering correctly accented syllables.
> c. At another stage, readings may provide access to different dialects. For example, it is a good thing to be able to recognize Greek when read in a modern accent. This enables better communication between Greeks and non-Greeks.  "Erasmians", in particular, can benefit by learning to listen and understand either koiné or modern, or both. This will help them better appreciate documents and texts from the New Testament period and later, even if they themselves read in another style at other times.
> d. Listening also helps someone internalize a language, if they are understanding most of what they are hearing. Listening forces the development of rapid and unconscious processing skills.
> e. Besides help in internalization, listening also provides a measurement of how far the language has been internalized. A students'
> goal should be to understand texts when read clearly at a normal speed. Less than that skill means that the language has not been learned to a sufficient level. Even in modern languages such skill may often lacking in training programs where there is little or no contact with speakers.
> f. Listening also helps a student distinguish language skills that are natural from skills that are artificial, analytical and secondary.
> There is no time in real language communication to do many of the things that students are asked to do with a language ("What kind of genitive was that?"). This does not mean that a student should not learn how to analyze a language, but that analytical skills are another kind of skill from language fluency. Both are good, but they shouldn't be confused.
> 8. Developing a skill for listening to long stretches of text helps in being able to read long stretches of text and to process higher level reading skills within the language itself.
> 9. Many have commented that a text may relate to itself in a different manner when it is processed through listening than when processed through reading. With modern languages this is skewed somewhat, because readers of texts are capable of processing the sound virtually simultaneously. This is not usually true of readers of ancient texts if they have not had extensive listening practice.
> PS: Our Johannine CD finally started shipping and has extra features like ASKHSEIS 'drills' where some chapters are provided listening drills with everything broken down into 2-3 second snips with space for either thinking or repetition. After working through the ASKHSIS of a chapter several times a student can find themselves capable of listening to the whole chapter without a written text. Written notes in PDF files are also in the CD. As mentioned in 5 and 7c above, understanding a spoken koine is a valuable skill to develop even for Erasmians.
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Randall Buth, PhD
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Biblical Language Center
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