[B-Greek] 1Tim5:9 - woman of one man (Plutarch on Demosthenes)

Steven Cox stevencox_backonbgreek at yahoo.co.uk
Sat May 16 01:46:43 EDT 2009


Jonathan
Many thanks. Without formatting:

2. Plutarchus Biogr. et Phil., Vitae decem oratorum. {0007.121} Stephanus page 847 section C line 7. (Browse)

kata tôn paraschontôn chrêsetai. katelipe de duo paidas

ek samias gunaikos tôn eudokimôn, Hêliodôrou tinos

thugatros: thugatera <de> mian eschen, hê pais eti ousa pro 

Disappointing that that's the only hit in TLG, but the context of this seems very similar to the funeral oration Carl provided, with the gender being switched. 

In keeping with the conservative attitude displayed by Plutarch in Moralia (eg 12. Advice to Bride and Groom GAMIKA PARAGGELMATA) presumably Plutarch's point being to credit Demosthenes for died at 70 having fathered two sons only by one woman/wife.

Carl, or anyone, is the S between EK and MIAS is for breathing, or style, or what exactly? And if so, why doesn't Paul use it?

Best to all
Steven





--- On Sat, 16/5/09, Fortigurn <dixit-dominus at thechristadelphians.org> wrote:

From: Fortigurn <dixit-dominus at thechristadelphians.org>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1Tim5:9  - woman of one man (TLG check)
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Saturday, 16 May, 2009, 5:33 AM



Steve, this is from TLG.

1. Plutarchus Biogr. et Phil. 
<http://stephanus.tlg.uci.edu.ezproxy.lib.monash.edu.au/inst/asearch?aname=0007&uid=0&GreekFont=Beta&GreekInputFont=Beta&SpecialChars=render&maxhits=100&context=3&perseus=Y&perseus_mirror=http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/&chronological=Y&mode=c_search>, 
/Vitae decem oratorum 
<http://stephanus.tlg.uci.edu.ezproxy.lib.monash.edu.au/inst/wsearch?wtitle=0007+121&uid=0&GreekFont=Beta&GreekInputFont=Beta&SpecialChars=render&maxhits=100&context=3&perseus=Y&perseus_mirror=http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/&chronological=Y&mode=c_search>/. 
{*0007.121*} /(A.D. 1-2)/ Stephanus page *847* section *C* 
line *7*. (Browse)

KATA\ 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=kata/&display=Beta+code> 
TW=N 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=tw=n&display=Beta+code> 
PARASXO/NTWN 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=parasxo/ntwn&display=Beta+code> 
XRH/SETAI 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=xrh/setai&display=Beta+code>. 
KATE/LIPE 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=kate/lipe&display=Beta+code> 
DE\ 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=de/&display=Beta+code> 
DU/O 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=du/o&display=Beta+code> 
PAI=DAS 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=pai=das&display=Beta+code> 

E)K 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=e%29k&display=Beta+code> 
*SAMI/AS 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=*sami/as&display=Beta+code> 
GUNAIKO\S 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=gunaiko/s&display=Beta+code> 
TW=N 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=tw=n&display=Beta+code> 
EU)DOKI/MWN 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=eu%29doki/mwn&display=Beta+code>, 
*(HLIODW/ROU 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=*%28hliodw/rou&display=Beta+code> 
TINO\S 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=tino/s&display=Beta+code>
QUGATRO/S 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=qugatro/s&display=Beta+code>: 
QUGATE/RA 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=qugate/ra&display=Beta+code> 
< 
<http://www.tlg.uci.edu.ezproxy.lib.monash.edu.au/help/BetaManual/_%5B2.html>DE\ 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=de/&display=Beta+code>> 
<http://www.tlg.uci.edu.ezproxy.lib.monash.edu.au/help/BetaManual/_%5B2.html> 
MI/AN 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=mi/an&display=Beta+code> 
E)/SXEN 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=e%29/sxen&display=Beta+code>, 
H(\ 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=h%28/&display=Beta+code> 
PAI=S 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=pai=s&display=Beta+code> 
E)/TI 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=e%29/ti&display=Beta+code> 
OU)=SA 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=ou%29=sa&display=Beta+code> 
PRO\ 
<http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/morphindex?lang=greek&embed=2&lookup=pro/&display=Beta+code>

Barcroft translates 'He [Demosthenes] left behind him two sons by one 
wife, the daughter of one Heliodorus, a principal citizen.'

Jonathan Burke.


>
Carl
I had to respond again on line to thank for that. This reference is absolute gold. I feel somewhat sheepish that I didn't know it existed.

http://community.middlebury.edu/~harris/Texts/propertius.4.11.html

* if anyone else does know a Greek text pre-Paul (or the inverse "man of one woman") still very interested to hear.
Thank you.
Steven
>

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