[B-Greek] Rev 21.4 APERCOMAI

Mitch Larramore mitchlarramore at yahoo.com
Thu May 14 23:21:27 EDT 2009


Bryant:

Yes, I think you are on the right track.

Mitch Larramore
Sugar Land, Texas


--- On Thu, 5/14/09, Bryant J. Williams III <bjwvmw at com-pair.net> wrote:

> From: Bryant J. Williams III <bjwvmw at com-pair.net>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Rev 21.4 APERCOMAI
> To: "Mitch Larramore" <mitchlarramore at yahoo.com>, "B Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 9:28 AM
> Dear Mitch,
> 
> [Mitch wrote]
> We essentially move from one level of reality (mental) to
> another level of
> reality (actual). When God removes all tears, death, pain,
> etc. he simply moves
> us from one level of reality (actual, sinful world) to
> another level
> (supernatural) so that the supernatural level of reality
> makes the actual,
> sinful, tragic events of this life "go out of existence" as
> we move from one
> level to another.
> 
> [Bryant writes]
> Sounds good; but I wonder if it is actually moving from one
> state of existence
> (mortality) to another (immortality). In both cases there
> is the fact of an
> actual body. The differences is that one body is no longer
> in a state of
> existence (sinful, mortal body); while the other body
> (non-sinful, immortal)
> does not cease to exist but rather, extends into eternity.
> I say this because of
> the nature of the resurrection body (I Corinthians
> 15:35-58) which will exist
> before, through and after the Millennium and the Final
> Rebellion of Satan in
> Revelation 20.
> 
> En Xristwi,
> 
> Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mitch Larramore" <mitchlarramore at yahoo.com>
> To: "B Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:58 PM
> Subject: [B-Greek] Rev 21.4 APERCOMAI
> 
> 
> >
> > Taken from the NET Bible, Revelation:
> >
> > 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the
> first heaven and earth
> had CEASED TO EXIST*,
> >
> > 21:4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and
> death will not exist
> any more – or mourning, or crying, or pain, for the
> former things have CEASED TO
> EXIST*.
> >
> > * For the translation of ἀπέρχομαι
> (apercomai; here ἀπῆλθαν [aphlqan]) L&N
> 13.93 has “to go out of existence – ‘to cease to
> exist, to pass away, to cease.
> ’”
> >
> > I read an article on this word APERCOMAI, and the use
> of this word, especially
> in vs 4. The thrust of the argument was that APERCOMAI
> means for some events of
> reality to "go out of existence." He then argued that for
> tears, death, pain,
> etc. to "go out of existence" would require a divine act
> whereby the reality
> behind these tears, death, pain, etc. goes out of existence
> by some kind of
> "divine reversal."
> >
> > That seemed strange to me until he gave an analogy
> that got me thinking. He
> likened it to our waking up because of a bad
> dream/nightmare. Once we wake up,
> we realize that the dream is not part of reality. To make
> this short, what do
> you think about the idea that the tragic, evil things that
> have taken place in
> our lives will "go out of existence" in a way similar to
> the apparent reality of
> a nightmare "going out of existence" when we wake up? We
> essentially move from
> one level of reality (mental) to another level of reality
> (actual). When God
> removes all tears, death, pain, etc. he simply moves us
> from one level of
> reality (actual, sinful world) to another level
> (supernatural) so that the
> supernatural level of reality makes the actual, sinful,
> tragic events of this
> life "go out of existence" as we move from one level to
> another.
> >
> > Mitch Larramore
> > Sugar Land, Texas
> >
> >
> >
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