[B-Greek] Help with Hebrews 4:2

Alastair Haines haines at alastairs.com
Sun May 3 20:16:37 EDT 2009

Thank you Carl,

yes, I hadn't intended "double dative" in a technical sense, I was just 
echoing an earlier post that used those words.
I think my spur of the moment proposal, based on the idea that oblique cases 
add arguments to predicates, needs work.
I don't think it's unusual for verbs to take extra arguments in the dative 
where the sense demands it.
However, is that so here?
As you say, it's a challenging piece of writing.
I appreciate the way you've kept opening doors to getting at its meaning 
rather than closing them.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl Conrad" <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
To: "Alastair Haines" <haines at alastairs.com>

>> ... BUT it brought no profit, that word heard, for those not  blending 
>> (for
>> themselves) with trust (and with) the things heard.
>> Double dative because we blend water with wine and with spice and  with 
>> ...
> So far as I am aware, the term "double dative" is not used in Greek 
> grammar but refers to the very common Latin combination of a dative of 
> reference with a dative of purpose, most commonly used with a form of  the 
> verb "be" (ESSE), as in the oft-cited Ciceronian phrase, "cui bono 
> (est)?" "Whose advantage does it serve" -- or more literally, "To whom  is 
> it for benefit?"

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