[B-Greek] Luke 17:16 simple conditional statement???
kline_dekooning at earthlink.net
Tue Jun 30 13:49:58 EDT 2009
On Jun 30, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Carl Conrad wrote:
> On Jun 30, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Travis Schuler wrote:
>> Luke 17:6 εἶπεν δὲ ὁ κύριος εἰ ἔχετε
>> πίστιν ὡς κόκκον σινάπεως ἐλέγετε
>> τῇ συκαμίνῳ ταύτῃ ἐκριζώθητι καὶ
>> φυτεύθητι ἐν τῇ θαλάσσῃ καὶ
>> ἂν ὑμῖν.
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> EIPEN DE hO KURIOS, EI ECETE PISTIN hWS KOKKON SINAPEWS, ELEGETE AN
> THi SUKAMINWi TAUTHi, EKRIZWQHTI KAI FUTEUQHTE EN THi QALASSHi KAI
> hUPHKOUSEN AN hUMIN.
>> Is this a simple conditional statement??? the use of the indicative
>> in the protasis seems to indicate it is, but I understand simple
>> conditionals are rather rare. Also, the theological interpretations
>> I have encountered seem to treat this verse as a general conditional
>> statement. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
> This is actually a mixed condition,
Which raises the question, what is at fault here? The language of the
author or the system of categories for conditionals? In light of our
recent discussion of the genitive case, I wonder what the categories
accomplish for us. When a question like this is raised, I assume the
student is preparing an exegesis paper or getting ready for an exam. I
read the text in Luke without any question about what it was saying.
So my training in Koine must be defective somehow since I should have
stopped and asked, what is wrong here, this construction doesn't fit
into the canonical paradigms for Greek conditionals.
> but in its fundamental structure,
> it is closer to a present counterfactual co;ndition; we would really
> expect the protasis to be in the indicative imperfect, since the
> apodoses are ELEGETE AN and hUPHKOUSEN AN, which are appropriate to
> present and past counterfactual result-clauses.. The present tense of
> ECETE is odd; the more appropriate imperfect form EICETE. is less to
> be noted among textual variants than EAN ECHTE, which is not at all
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