[B-Greek] "Attic Reduplication"
cwconrad2 at mac.com
Wed Jun 17 06:58:24 EDT 2009
Of course, there's really no reason to learn all this arcane lore
unless you're interested in linguistic archeology. I'm one of those
nuts, of course (just got my Christidis, Hisory of Ancient Greek --
all 1500+ pages of it -- yesterday; figured that if Amazon slashes 1/4
off the list-price, it's ALMOST a bargain. It is every bit as big as
ATR's big grammar and weighs twice as much).
If your primary objective is learning to read Greek, all that you
really need to do is learn the principal parts of all irregular verbs,
i.e., all verbs, the major tense-stems f which are unpredictable (e.g.
ERCOMAI, ELEUSOMAI, HLQON, ELHLUQA; EGEIRW, EGERW, HGEIRA, EGRHGORA,
EGHGERMAI, HGERQHN). You don't need to know that some people call
ELHLUQA an instance of "Attic Reduplication," or that some people
call EGERW an instance of "Attic future."
On Jun 17, 2009, at 12:23 AM, Mark Lightman wrote:
> Top Ten Reasons to avoid the term “Attic Reduplication:”
> 10. It won’t help you get any dates.
Ah -- but it WILL win you an entry into the B-Greek Archives.
> 9. Attic Reduplication is actually more common in Homer than in
As are lots of other things, including Aeolic and Ionic dialect forms,
hidden digammas, etc., etc. But then, those who don't read the Homeric
corpus as literature tend to research it for the linguistic
archaeology of the Greek language. If ;you do both, like me, you can
call it "Homeric Reduplication."
> 8. Why mess with a category for which there are only two N.T.
> examples (HGAGON and AKHKOA?)
Well, of course, there's ELHLUQA, which is not uncommon; and although
the active of EGEIRW/EGEIROMAI, EGRHGORA is obsolete in NT Koine, the
middle EGHGERMAI appears 11x.
I was just curious enough to check on "Attic reduplication" in
standard Koine reference works; BDF has a note in §68 and ATR in the
big grammar deals with it, but linguistic archaeology was ATR's forte.
> 7. People will say, “Why would I want two attics?”
And if they do, you can advise them about the "Attic Future" -- as in,
"The future of M/NW is MENW=; the future of ELPIZW is ELPIW=
(transliteration: = following a vowel for circumflex on the vowel)."
> 5. Why are we using a Latin word when perfectly good Greek
ATR notes ANADIPLWSIS and DIPLASMIASMOS.
> and English (doubling) words are available? For a fine discussion of
> the damage caused by applying a Latin term to Greek, check out the b-
> greek archives under “Top Ten Reasons to avoid the term
And you'll waste your effort searching for it, although I have
certainly done my "ad nauseam" routine on avoidance of the term.
It appears to me, moreever, that we use Latin-derived words for MOST
designations of grammatical elements in Greek. "Aorist" is the only
common Greek-derived term that comes readily to my mind. Or, you can
follow Randall's lead and start talking about PARATATIKH KTL.
> If we need a term for this madness we ought to call it “Ionic
Or you can call it "John," or you can call it "James," or you can call
it "Dorothy" ...
But I give you fair warning: try to change the name of any standard
item of Greek grammar (especially of those that nobody has bothered to
learn) and you'll run into a stone wall. They'll say, "If Attic
Reduplication was good enough for St. Paul, it's good enough for me!"
> 3. People will think you are talking about an Alternative Rock
> band from the early 1990’s.
I somewhat doubt this, but maybe somebody somewhere will do so.
> 2. Because, to quote Christophe Rico (p. 288) in his terrific new
> book “Polis: Parler Le Grec Ancien Comme Une Langue Vivante,”
> our purpose in teaching Greek should be ̔ίνα πυλῶσιν
> ἐισέλθωσιν εἰς τήν πόλιν hINA PULWSIN
> EISELQWSIN EIS THN POLIN. Rico makes the case that Greek is a
> living Polis, and we ought to enter it the way ancient Greek
> citizens did, through the gates of living speech. Nobody ever
> entered the Polis carrying the term “Attic Reduplication” in
> their PHRA. And, no, the term is not found in Rico’s book.
Well, we know that you have done a needle-in-a-haystack search of the
book. The French term for "far-fetched" is "recherché" -- what we'd
ordinarily English as "researhed."
> And the number one reason to avoid the term “Attic
> 1. It is my e-trade password.
Well, now that you've made it public knowledge, you'll need to reset
it with a new one. Howzabout: "Anadiplosis"? It sure ain't Latin! Or
George has made you a fine suggestion: borrow some of the frogs of
Hades from Aristophanes and have them cry out in unision, "BREKEKEKEX
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
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