[B-Greek] +AFs-B-Greek+AF0- Jude 3

J.M. Pauw jmpauw at hotmail.com
Sun Nov 30 05:39:18 EST 2008

The question, however, is do you find arguments for this opinion in the very 
Greek text?
My point is that there two arguments in the text that invite us to think 
about the KOINHS hMWN SWTHRIAS and EPAGWNIZESQAI, etc. as being one and the 
same subject.

So I'm wondering what you think about these two arguments from the Greek 

Michel Pauw


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+AD4-I would compare the circumstances of James with a situation which may be at
+AD4- times true today. Suppose a preacher is planning to deliver his next 
+AD4- sermon
+AD4- on the harmony of the gospels, and suddenly the fact becomes evident that 
+AD4- a
+AD4- prominent member of the congregation has already convinced a number of the
+AD4- members that, in order to be saved, before becoming Christians, all men 
+AD4- have
+AD4- to be circumsised. I believe the preacher would give up his plan - even
+AD4- though he might have already delivered a consistent series of sermons on 
+AD4- the
+AD4- harmony of the gospels - and direct his attention to a more urgent need,
+AD4- i.e., correcting the error that is just occuring and is bound to put 
+AD4- serious
+AD4- threats on the whole congregation.
+AD4- The THS KOINHS HMWN SWTERIAS is, I believe, related to situations where 
+AD4- the
+AD4- life and teaching of the church is developing relatively smoothly, without
+AD4- immediate or dangerous hindrances.
+AD4- Vasile STANCU
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+AD4- Subject: +AFs-B-Greek+AF0- Jude 3
+AD4- Exegetes of this verse often assume two different topics that Jude had 
+AD4- been
+AD4- willing to write about, one being the common salvation and one being the
+AD4- exhortation to battle for the faith. This seems to be the reason for your
+AD4- stressing the word BUT.
+AD4- BUT I think the Greek text gives two reasons for thinking that it is one 
+AD4- and
+AD4- the same topic that Jude was willing to write about:
+AD4- First, I question whether THS KOINHS (hJMWN) SWTHRIAS should be rendered
+AD4- 'common salvation'. In fact, these words are the Greek translation of the
+AD4- Latin terminus technicus 'salus communis', being understood as 'common
+AD4- welfare', especially in the political sense of the common welfare under 
+AD4- the
+AD4- protection of the Roman Empire. In short: the words are to be understood 
+AD4- as
+AD4- synonym for 'national security / safety' (I don't know which one is the
+AD4- appropriate English word, but I'm sure you will understand me).
+AD4- So, I suppose, Jude is using this political expression giving it an
+AD4- ecclesiastic meaning: he was going to write about the ecclesiastic 
+AD4- security,
+AD4- because this security was threatened by TINES ANQRWPOI (Jude 4). And just
+AD4- this threatening of the ecclesiastic security is the reason for PASAN
+AD4- Second, since a present participle is used to be translated as 
+AD4- simultaneous
+AD4- with the main verb of the clause, I understand Jude being worried about 
+AD4- the
+AD4- situation in the church / congregation, and WHILE thinking about what to
+AD4- write about this topic, he was urged to write an exhortation.
+AD4- So I should not translate 'in haste', but 'in my diligence / seriousness 
+AD4- to
+AD4- write about our / your (see variants) common security (having in mind the
+AD4- security of the church / congregation), I felt the urge necessity to write
+AD4- you with the exhortation to ....'
+AD4- Michel Pauw
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