[B-Greek] Phil 2:19 ELPIZW EN KURIWi

Kimmo Huovila kimmo.huovila at kolumbus.fi
Wed Nov 26 14:53:11 EST 2008

Would you like to elaborate on the relationship between you reply now and what 
you wrote in 2001? 

Kimmo Huovila

Carl Conrad:
> I don't think that EN KURIWi is essentially different in construction and
> meaning from EN CRISTWi, but of course that is itself an item subject to
> considerable range of interpretation, although I think that the single most
> commonly held view of it is "in corporate union with Christ." Recently
> there has been considerable discussion on the B-Translation list about the
> proper understanding and translation of EN CRISTWi and whether, despite its
> long-standing traditional use in English, the phrase "in Christ" really
> communicates any clearly-understood meaning, insofar as it really is a
> unique phrase and not really parallel to any other common English
> prepositional phrase with the preposition "in."
> As for the phrase and context originally questioned here, my own guess
> would be that EN KURIWi ought to be understood in an instrumental sense and
> that it is indeed equivalent to the phrases cited from 1 Cor 16:7 and 4:19,
> i.e. that they are essentially equivalent to DEO VOLENTE or our own
> nominative absolute expression, "God willing." It's just that inasmuch as
> for Paul it is the Lord Jesus Christ through whom the will of god uniquely
> comes to fulfillment, he prefers to say "Christ willing" rather than "God
> willing."

On tiistai 25 marraskuu 2008, Carl Conrad wrote:
> On Nov 25, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Kimmo Huovila wrote:
> > It has been suggested that ELPIZW EN KURIWi IHSOU in Phil 2:19 means  
> > "I
> > hope... if the Lord Jesus wills" (instead of the hope being in the  
> > Lord Jesus
> > like in 1 Cor. 15:19). What support is there for this?
> >
> > Phil 2:19
> In view of the fact that the phrase EN KURIWi appears 96x in the GNT  
> (95x within the greater Pauline corpus), I would think that  
> proposition difficult to maintain. See BDAG s.v. EN §4.c. esp. in  
> Paul. or Joh. usage, to designate a close personal relation in which  
> the referent of the ἐν-term is viewed as the controlling influence:  
> under the control of, under the influence of, in close association  
> with ...
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)

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