[B-Greek] Etymological fallacy?

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Wed Nov 19 14:45:43 EST 2008

Thank you.  I will report it as a typo to be corrected.

… search for truth, hear truth, 
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.

- Jan Hus

From: Matthew Williams <kopio at comcast.net>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:39:20 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Etymological fallacy?

After consulting my hard copy of Moulton and Milligan, it does appear  
that whoever the particular scribe is that digitized the text, in  
fact made a scribal error!  Oops...sorry, this isn't the TC list ;^)

Only one KAT' appears in the hard copy.

--Matt Williams

On Nov 19, 2008, at 10:20 AM, b-greek-request at lists.ibiblio.org wrote:

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> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:02:47 -0800 (PST)
> From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Etymological fallacy?
> To: Stephen Baldwin <stbaldwi at hotmail.com>,    Carl Conrad
>     <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>,    B- Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> While it is clearly an "exegetical fallacy" to use?the etymology of  
> EKKLHSIA in order to posit that the church consists of "called out  
> ones", when one goes back to the earlier usage among the Greeks  
> there may be a real basis for connecting this with the concept of  
> calling out.? Moulton and Milligan deal with the papyrological  
> findings mainly from Oxyrhynchus in Egypt and late in relation to  
> early Greek, but they have an interesting comment on the word
> ?
> [Page 195] ???????? [EKKLHSIA]?????1577
> For the Biblical history of the word ???????? [EKKLHSIA], which  
> meant originally any public assembly of citizens summoned by a  
> herald, it is sufficient to refer to Hort, The Christian Ecclesia,  
> p. 1 ff. It is the LXX term for the community of Israel, whether  
> assembled or no. In the Gospels the word is confined to Mt 16:18,  
> 18:17, where it denotes Christ?s new ???????? [EKKLHSIA], as  
> distinguished from the old. Deissmann (?LAE? p. 112ff.) has  
> emphasized the significance of the fact that the Latin-speaking  
> people of the West, to whom Christianity came, did not translate  
> the word, but simply borrowed it, and cites an interesting  
> bilingual inscr. of a.d.103?4, found in the theatre of Ephesus,  
> which refers to the gift by a Roman official of a silver image of  
> Artemis (cf. Ac 19:24) and other  
> statues???? ???????? ??? ???? ?????????[hINA TIQHNTAI KAT KAT'  
> EKKLHSIAN] ** (cf. Ac 14:23) ?? ??
>  ?????? ??? ??? ??????[EN TWi QEATRWi EPI TWN BASEWN],?or, in the  
> parallel text, ita ut [om]n[i e]cclesia supra bases ponerentur.  
> Other reff. to ?????????[EKKLHSIAI] in the theatre at Ephesus will  
> be found s.v.???????[QEATRON].?For the ?inclusive? as distinguished  
> from the ?exclusive? character of the Greek ????????[EKKLHSIA] (cf.  
> Hicks ?CR? i. p. 43), we may cite the case of an ????????[EKKLHSIA]  
> summoned at Apamea????????? ???????? ?????????[AGOMENHS PANDHMOU  
> EKKLHSIAS], which the editor Cagnat (note on IV. 7917) describes  
> as ?concilium totius populi Apamensis, civium cum Graecorum, tum  
> Romanorum?: see also Ramsay ?C. and B.? ii. p. 465, where the  
> inscr. is dated as perhaps of the time of Vespasian and Titus. ? 
> MGr? ??????(?)? [EKKLHS(I)A].
> ?
> Moulton, J. H., & Milligan, G. (1930). The vocabulary of the Greek  
> Testament. Issued also in eight parts, 1914-1929. (195). London:  
> Hodder and Stoughton.
> ?
> My point here being that the assembly was originally?called by a  
> herald.? Please remember, however, that "assembly" would be the  
> concept understood for the word EKKLHSIA in the NT and not "called  
> out."
> Is KAT KAT' here a typo?? Does anyone have the dead tree version?
> ?george
> gfsomsel
> ? search for truth, hear truth,
> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> defend the truth till death.
> - Jan Hus
> _________
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