[B-Greek] KERDAINW: Not a liquid?

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Thu Nov 6 06:28:43 EST 2008

On Nov 6, 2008, at 5:43 AM, Carl Conrad wrote:

> On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Scott Kennedy wrote:
>> This is a great brain puzzler! From a quick search of the TLG, the
>> form can first be seen in Herodotus' future infinitive KERDHSESQAI,
>> but then it does not appear in any work before the Hellenic Age,
>> which would seem to be a good indication it is a feature of Ionic
>> Greek. As to the proposed origin of this feature, I would say it
>> comes from the original form KERDANEW in the future where the AN
>> proved unstable and the verb was for a time KERDEW from which you
>> get if you regularize it KERDHSW and KERDHSA, which appear
>> frequently in the New Testament and Josephus afterwords. If it
>> helps, the Modern Greeks got sick of the irregular verb and have
>> almost regularized it with κερδίζω, κέρδισα, κερδήθηκα, κερδισμένος,
>> in which the passive aorist κερδήθηκα still retains a last bit of
>> Koine Greek's attempt to regularize the verb.
>> Scott Kennedy  > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:42:53 -0800> From: javajedi2 at yahoo.com
>>> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: [B-Greek] KERDAINW: Not a
>> liquid?> > Based upon the Aorist form KERDHSA, it appears that
>> KERDAINW is not acting like a liquid, but Nu is a liquid consonant.
>> Why doesn't this behave like q normal liquid, such as MENW in the 1
>> Aorist? Thanks.> > Ken> > > > ---> B-Greek home page: http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek
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> What's been missed in responses thus far, I think, is that the root of
>  the verb is KERDA and that the present-tense stem has a nasal
> formative
> element -NyW which, following standard phonological process, involves
> metathesis of the consonantal Iota to a vocalic iota and so to a
> diphthong
> with the root KERDA: KERDANyW --> KERDAINW -- BUT: that
> present-tense formative element -NyW will be found ONLY in tense/ 
> aspect
> forms based upon the present stem.

Actually the ROOT is KERD, the common nominal form is the neuter noun  
KERDOS/-OUS. For the present-tense formative element involved see  
Smyth §518.c.

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)

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