[B-Greek] Time and Reference
mga318 at yahoo.com
Mon Nov 3 13:16:06 EST 2008
"Time is a definition. referential."
Is it? I'd question that. We can only refer to that which is.
The past is not. The future is not. We only have the present
accessible referentially. And we can only access the past
or the future through the present.
"[T]here are three times, the present of things past,
the present of things present, and the present of things
future . . . The present of things past is in memory;
the present of things present is in intuition; and the present
of things future is in expectation."
If time is anything. It is metaphor.
From: Randall Buth <randallbuth at gmail.com>
To: Michael Aubrey <mga318 at yahoo.com>; greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 4:53:02 AM
Subject: Re: New book on Verbal Aspect
kai egrapse aubrey
>>TEMPORALITY IS A SUBSET OF SPACIALITY
spaciality is a metaphor on a verb. METAPHOR.
As in nice parable if it works, but not real.
Time is a definition. referential.
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Randall Buth <randallbuth at gmail.com> wrote:
> aubrey egrapse
> I continue to wonder if Fanning fully understands Campbell discussion of
> non-temporal nature and in Campbell's new "basics" takes many pains
> to explain exactly what spacial meaning is. Spacial reference in the
> augment does not exclude time because its relatively universal
> (if not completely) that time is aways expressed through spacial metaphor.
> Why else do we "look forward to tomorrow" and "put the past behind us"?
> ***TEMPORALITY IS A SUBSET OF SPACIALITY*** (not yelling, just
> emphatic) and thus temporality in Greek is marked on the augment to
> the extent that the augment marks remoteness, whether logical, temporal
> or any other way you can use space as a metaphor in meaning - perhaps
> even physical, though I haven't tested that.>
> In Hebrew, the past is in FRONT of you, qedem, because you can see
> what has happened, and the future is behind you because you can't
> see what is comiing, like the 'back point of days' the future of days,
> often in English 'the end of days' even when its not the end (Gn 49).
> So plainest vanilla on the augment is still PAST temporal reference,
> just like Dionysios Thrax treated it.
> Randall Buth, PhD
> randallbuth at gmail.com
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